Honestly, should i refund this?

[Pierce Hawthorne]

tl;dr - graphics issues, AI issues (not the ones you're having though), controller deadzone issues, etc. all in 1.8 hours of play in BF2 alone. I want to like it for the SP experience but the issues are difficult to overcome. Do you know of more issues (besides MP stuff already discussed)? Is it worth it to keep for SP or should i refund and try to get the older remaster working?

this is going to be a long post, bear with me. i want to be comprehensive, but i will try to be specific and concise. and this is kind of an open discussion so feel free to say whatever. share your experiences, make suggestions, call me names if you have to, whatever. i want honest input that is hopefully backed up by gameplay. And this is noteworthy, i only played BF2 so i have no firsthand knowledge of any issues in BF1 so take that into consideration.

Here is a list of issues i encountered playing ~1 hour and 10 minutes of a galactic conquest, as the droids against the clones:
- graphics issues; these include: no fog on maps that should have fog (felucia, yavin IV); no highlighter for selecting bonuses pre-battle, only the text box changes; missing lightsaber handle on Leader bonus thumbnail; launching a volley of bombs from the strike bomber immediately after reloading seemed to make every bomb after the first invisible (this didn't seem to happen if i waited a few seconds after the reload was complete); the starry background of the galactic map at times seems to be overlaid on top of the map itself, seems to be most prevalent around the perimeter of the map and can cause visual clarity issues;
- this will probably be a point of contention, but based on my own experience, i think the AI is way more aggressive, and way more consistently accurate than in the OG BF2 (PS2). sometimes the AI just straight lazers me, even while strafing/rolling/kiting behind cover. other times it's not so bad, but i'm literally always catching strays from any bot that happens to see me for more than half a second, so if i'm not standing near a med droid practically the whole time, i'm lucky to even get a frenzy medal; mind you, i am, like many of us here i'm sure, a grizzled BF2 veteran. in the OG, even with the AI on elite, i could regularly get 60-70 kills without dying. this is simply not the case in this game, again in my own experience. and don't get me wrong, i'm still getting 60-70 kills, so it's no skill issue, the muscle memory is all still there, it's just that now i'm dying 5-7 times to do it. On the point of AI aggression, what i mean there is that many many more of them spawn at the forward command posts instead of being more spread out across the map like i remember, and they are SO much more inclined to use their explosives than i remember. Polis Massa was utter carnage, in a way i have never witnessed in my hundreds and hundreds of hours in the OG. Furthermore, i know these matches are going faster than they used to. reinforcements on both sides get burned like gasoline. for example, i remember many battles on Yavin IV that took anywhere from 15-30 minutes sometimes. this one took a maximum of 10. I think this is mathematical evidence (granted it's also anecdotal) that the AI is more accurate in their shooting more consistently than the OG. i argue the space battles are further evidence. real talk, how many times have any of you ever been shot down in a bomber, and by frigate auto turrets no less? well, it happened to me 1 more time in this game than it ever has before. those bombers usually tank whatever no problem, and again that is simply not the case in this game. i mean they were even hitting me while in the middle of a maneuver (O+O+side) which i don't ever remember happening.
- this game seems to force a 0% deadzone on controller joysticks once you're in a battle. i'm using a PowerA controller and i can set the deadzone through the app, and it seems to work fine in the menus. but as soon as i get into a battle, holy stick drift. i had to go buy a new controller today because i didn't even know it had gotten so bad, the thing was only 3 years old. every game i play, even if it doesn't acknowledge the setting from the app it still has its own deadzone settings. so for me this is a pretty big issue because these PowerA controllers really are quite garbage for how quickly the stick drift can set in, and it makes the character quite difficult to control at times, especially if it's the right stick that's drifting. luckily for me, the right one was tolerable, it was the left one that was the real problem. i seem to remember there being a native deadzone in the OG, it was easy enough to operate the throttle on starfighters without rolling. not so much here.

so aside from all the other multiplayer issues that have been much discussed today, what other issues have you noticed especially with single player modes, and BF1? for example, i saw someone say the after-battle cutscenes for Rise of the Empire all got deleted, could anyone confirm that? because that would be a big reason to refund. some of the more minor stuff i can deal with because i really want to like this version. like i would keep it just for the single player experience again. but not if there's more significant issues i haven't even encountered yet. i have the older remaster on steam, but i could never get past the uglyass menus and no controller support so i have no idea what features are or aren't available in that game. but if that game has all the SP modes that this has, i could easily still refund this and just try to figure out how to get the older one working instead, and i'm not holding out a lot of faith that any of these issues will ever be addressed. so, honestly, should i refund this?
if you made it to the end, you're a real trooper and you have my appreciation.

[Labargoth]

I have refunded it. This is clearly just a cash grab. They put zero work into this, it doesn't even qualify as a remaster.

[Tank]

I did a refund tbh I mean the multiplayer is a piece of ♥♥♥♥ ngl the only thing that I enjoyed was the offline vs AI but the classic one already have that so make no sense the price for that

[dprog1995]

If you enjoy the game in this state it is in, don't refund.

If you want to wait for Aspyr to fix it then refund in my opinion since they are terrible in post-launch support.

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Originally posted by tanktopss:

the classic one already have that so make no sense the price for that

ah see i never made it far enough to find that out. that's good to know cause that will weigh heavily in this decision

[ChubbiChibbai]

I would suggest a refund.
Even if they do fix things it will probably be a very long time and you will most certainly be able to pick the game up on sale by then anyway.

I know its tough when you really want to like a game and are hopeful but consider that you probably already have alot of games in your backlog you could be playing instead and the only real thing drawing you to this is that it's 'new'

[Joseph]

refund don't let them go away with this

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Originally posted by dprog1995:

If you enjoy the game in this state it is in, don't refund.

If you want to wait for Aspyr to fix it then refund in my opinion since they are terrible in post-launch support.

i don't necessarily enjoy it, but i don't necessarily not enjoy it either.
I've read a lot of that about Aspyr today and yeah for the price and storage space it hardly seems worth it if i can get the same SP experience from the classic remaster

[Horus Blackheart]

refund it and buy the originals on gog mp works fine.

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Originally posted by ChubbiChibbai:

I would suggest a refund.
Even if they do fix things it will probably be a very long time and you will most certainly be able to pick the game up on sale by then anyway.

I know its tough when you really want to like a game and are hopeful but consider that you probably already have alot of games in your backlog you could be playing instead and the only real thing drawing you to this is that it's 'new'

you raise a valid point, especially considering whenever it inevitably goes on sale the discount will probably be bigger than the pre-order 20%

[Squares Boxes]

It upsets me how so many people are incapable of foresight and understanding the purpose behind EA releasing this Classic Collection was to gauge the public's interest in future instalments.
Sure, it's your money to spend and retract as you see fit, but is two hours of your wages really worth signalling to EA that future Battlefront games won't earn them any money, and thus no reason to make a new one? I won't sugar coat the fact that the game has issues, but there's a lot riding on this and we should be patient and give them a few weeks to figure things out before we do anything rash. Having a knee-jerk response and abandoning ship in barely twelve hours for any game is just foolish.

[Pyro Penguin]

Originally posted by Squares Boxes:

It upsets me how so many people are incapable of foresight and understanding the purpose behind EA releasing this Classic Collection was to gauge the public's interest in future instalments.
Sure, it's your money to spend and retract as you see fit, but is two hours of your wages really worth signalling to EA that future Battlefront games won't earn them any money, and thus no reason to make a new one? I won't sugar coat the fact that the game has issues, but there's a lot riding on this and we should be patient and give them a few weeks to figure things out before we do anything rash. Having a knee-jerk response and abandoning ship in barely twelve hours for any game is just foolish.

if this is the kind of quality i can expect from future installments then they might as well just cancel them all now

[o_O]

Personally, I decided to request a refund. I usually don't, but there are far too many missed opportunities and rough edges with this release right now.

The original games currently offer a more polished experience, so they'll be the ones I end up reaching for unless this one improves. No point in paying full price for this collection just to have it sit in my library.

If Aspyr patches this one up I'll give it a second look. If not, then bullet successfully dodged.

[Bfloo]

Originally posted by Squares Boxes:

It upsets me how so many people are incapable of foresight and understanding the purpose behind EA releasing this Classic Collection was to gauge the public's interest in future instalments.
Sure, it's your money to spend and retract as you see fit, but is two hours of your wages really worth signalling to EA that future Battlefront games won't earn them any money, and thus no reason to make a new one? I won't sugar coat the fact that the game has issues, but there's a lot riding on this and we should be patient and give them a few weeks to figure things out before we do anything rash. Having a knee-jerk response and abandoning ship in barely twelve hours for any game is just foolish.

If thiis gets forgiven, imagine how broken a bf3 would be if it ever comes.

[FALL1N1]

This is my single player experience

https://steamcommunity.com/app/2446550/discussions/0/7735567592994461801/

[0K3LV1N]

Originally posted by Squares Boxes:

It upsets me how so many people are incapable of foresight and understanding the purpose behind EA releasing this Classic Collection was to gauge the public's interest in future instalments.
Sure, it's your money to spend and retract as you see fit, but is two hours of your wages really worth signalling to EA that future Battlefront games won't earn them any money, and thus no reason to make a new one? I won't sugar coat the fact that the game has issues, but there's a lot riding on this and we should be patient and give them a few weeks to figure things out before we do anything rash. Having a knee-jerk response and abandoning ship in barely twelve hours for any game is just foolish.

EA didn't release this, nor is this early access if that is what you meant. Also you don't have the game, you dont have the mouse icon next to your name. So you haven't experienced the issues like we have. That is, unless you refunded it... I will not be giving them a few weeks as you have to refund the game within two if you want a refund.