Defense Missions are dumb.

[Coffeeholic]

Just started the Soviet Skirmish mission 2: Leningrad. I hate hate hate these missions in MoW. seems so dumb I don't see the point in these. If it was in any way balanced it would at least be fun.

You have to hold out with 3-4 tanks, 2 TD, 4-6 AT Guns and a handful of infantry against 400-500 tanks? Really? And, for some stupid reason you're only infantry reinforcments are "Tank crews" and "AT infantry"? Why? Where's the high caliber AT guns? Heavy tanks? Tank destroyers? various infantry you can't call in? Why have this "Artificial" difficulty?

So the only way to balance these missions is to throw stupid amounts of enemy units at you until you lose? It just looks soooo dumb and breaks the game later on in the mission.

I'm at wave 09/10-10/10 and I have 10 Jagdpanther wrecks, 15 Tiger wrecks, 20 Panther wrecks, numerous Jagdpanzer IV wrecks, Too many to count-Panzer III/IV wrecks to the point where new enemy tank waves use the corpses of the old tanks as bumper cars/pinballs flipping them over like cardboard boxes (tiger drives at my base fipping a Panzer 3 over his head) preventing my AT guns from getting a shot off at them.

For the record I Finished MoW Sevastopol mission on hard. But this is on a whole other level of rediculous. At least there you had some good AT guns and tons of mine layers/engineers.

[DuckieMcduck]

Defensive missions are ludicrous especially at high difficulties. I'm personally having a hard time getting past the US introduction finale on Heroic. They basically want us to take out half of Berlin with a few (or couple of) emplacements basically. Guess you get what you ask for?

[Bloodhun23]

I think they forgot to add the Soviet heavy AT gun for the Leningrad mission. The heaviest AT for the Soviets is the 57mm which can't do anything to the heavier tanks.

[Arrowstorm]

I agree with this. Tried to do Leningrad on normal the other day, and ended up getting swarmed by a horde of tanks while myself had very little that I could do about it. Hell. Even the IS I repaired couldn't do anything against the swarm of Panthers and Tigers that were being sent against me.

A fix or additions to the defending team would be greatly appreciated, especially on teams facing Germany and their horde of super-armored tanks.

[Opavius]

Guys dont expect these missions to be made (on hard and heroic) for single person. These missions should drive you to play them in COOP (there is no difference in achieving them alone or in team - same achievment). And in COOP there are more hands, more DC controlled units, and so on... also those missions are so hard to make a challenge, what if all missions were so easy on "heroic" that you would fast get past of them... what then ? Ask devs for harder missions?

[Opavius]

But yep, a bit more variety of units to choose from would not be bad...

[Lofalk]

Well it is Heroic for a reason isn't it? Play it on an easier setting if you want a more eaven fight.

[WAR SHEEP]

Originally posted by Opavius:

Guys dont expect these missions to be made (on hard and heroic) for single person. These missions should drive you to play them in COOP (there is no difference in achieving them alone or in team - same achievment). And in COOP there are more hands, more DC controlled units, and so on... also those missions are so hard to make a challenge, what if all missions were so easy on "heroic" that you would fast get past of them... what then ? Ask devs for harder missions?

No no, I am not complaining that the mission is "hard" my complaint is that its hard in an artificially bad way. Map could use some more tweaking.

Originally posted by Bloodhun23:

I think they forgot to add the Soviet heavy AT gun for the Leningrad mission. The heaviest AT for the Soviets is the 57mm which can't do anything to the heavier tanks.

Yes, that's partly my point. They take away the late 76/85/100 AT guns, arty, mines, heavy infantry, special vehicles, ect to make the mission harder.

Compare this mission to the Sevastopol mission in MoW. Both wave defensive missions, Sevestopol mission is brutally harder, but it was "fun" because you had a ton of different units at your disposal to come up with different tactics. And the battlefield was accross the entire length of the map. Not concentrated at one flag/point.

btw I finaly finished the mission. After finishing the mission my main difficulty beside the last 2 waves of heavys was running out of ammo.

After it was all over:
5/8 AT guns ran out of ammo. Even HE, lol.
KV-1, IS1 & IS2 ran out of all AP & APCR ammo, even after being manually restocked twice by supply trucks.
Su-85 & Su-100 ran out of all AP & APCR ammo.

IS-1/KV-1/Su-85/Su-100 and 4-5 AT guns all knocked out in last 1 minutes of game.

I finally won by spamming AT infantry to random bushes across the map to take out the heavy TD/Tanks as they went to cap. Guy stands up, fires rocket, destroys tank and is gunned down by other MG fire. Rinse/repeat 10x. Very effective but very cheap victory. :\

[MооN _ShinE]

tooo hard rlly(
can't beat it second day,at the end of the 8 wave there are coming about 10 tanks,can't make it =/
by the way.if i'm going to play in coop with my friend,will i be able to save the game progres?

[Gob]

I bet you know this stuff but...

You are just defending the hill and not splitting your forces trying to defend all four places?

If there are any green units like AT guns then you can take them over and use them better than the AI by knocking the crews out with an AT grenade and quickly getting a couple of your guys in there.

[Carolus]

I totally agree with you. you dont need to do anything in difficult"low/beginner"

[MооN _ShinE]

but still i don't remember then i played in mow in the last time,i ,ight lose my skills(

[spirtous]

I finished US in Normal and
at 7th wave I was like ehh ok..
at 8th I start thinking, how many of those heavies can they send me !!!

Almost in the middle of 9th I reload back to 7th so I could start mining the place, I was really thinking that after the 7th Tiger2 in the map (at the same time!!) the jerries would send next giant battle-droids at me.

While I enjoyed the challenge, it felt more like heroic.
Also for some reason it was like the waves were missing variety,no 223s/pumas/flaks/arty or at least panzer grenadiers for diversity ;-)

[LordBonermeister]

Originally posted by Opavius:

Guys dont expect these missions to be made (on hard and heroic) for single person. These missions should drive you to play them in COOP (there is no difference in achieving them alone or in team - same achievment). And in COOP there are more hands, more DC controlled units, and so on... also those missions are so hard to make a challenge, what if all missions were so easy on "heroic" that you would fast get past of them... what then ? Ask devs for harder missions?

After finally stepping the difficulty down on this mission from Hard to Normal, it is still brutally difficult. The Soviets have nothing that can reliably penetrate the later tanks the Germans are throwing at you; even if you manage to kill a few with some hidden AT crews (the only real effective defense I've found. Since positioning any tanks or AT guns on the flanks immediately causes them to die, since the AI can pinpoint their firing position as soon as a single round is fired), you likely don't have enough reinforcements to deal with the absolute onslaught of tanks that are being sent at you by the hundreds.

I'm fine if they want to send this many tanks at me, but for ♥♥♥♥ sake, give me something that can effectively combat them in any capacity. The only thing my tanks and AT guns can do is spam HE and hopefully knockout the crew, one man at a time, which is hardly effective.

The difficulty of this mission has driven me away from the game at this point, at least until there are some balance updates.

[GraveDigger]

"The only thing my tanks and AT guns can do is spam HE and hopefully knockout the crew, one man at a time, which is hardly effective. "

HE rounds only stun but dont kill crew.

[DJSatane]

Keep your top tanks in the tank trenches and make sure you have some infantry around as cover, its good to have some at guns and tanks on flanks so that enemy tanks may get distracted by multiple targets. Especially on leningrad you start with enough proper armor especially on normal. I suggest you try it on easy until you get hang of some simple strategy but I do recommend trying to play it on coop as well. Oh and there isnt close to 100 tanks....