shermans

[BoltAction9898]

the shermans are way too OP can you please nerf them it took me a cromwell a sherman firefly and an archer to take 1 down.

[Athena's Spear]

and a churchill

[ewt.strat29]

Allies vs Allies is not really balacned. That's one of the reasons tournamnets are always axis vs allied match ups only. The very first tournament in AS1 4 years ago.. we saw the sherman rule.

Shermans are notriously very good in allied vs allied match ups. The soviets have a very hard time vs the shermans. RE UK, they do have a hard time too. There's nothin gin the cheap price bracket that can really take them out as the allied nations.

That being said though, sherkman firefly, archer, churchill should be able to win vs a sherman quite easily if the players were evenly skilled. But those tanks listed are in the middle late game bracket and aren't a even comparison.

But in the medium tank range, sherman is a little bit more expensive.. but the other nations have no effective counter in the form of a tank, like the G, marder, H, etc

[BoltAction9898]

but before we did a commonwealth v germany and the shermans were still OP

[Opavius]

Well it depends on armour, slopping and gun of both tanks. Its clear you cannot compare Cromwell with weak straight armour and weak gun with Sherman with a bit better armour, slopping and better gun. But even Achilles can take him out. So it looks like you have to leard a bit about tanks :-)

First of all, learn a bit about each tank (or train it). Than, keep maximum distance - for example, Archer is weak - but has better gun and longer range - so if you want to kill Sherman with him, you shool shoot in Direct control at max range - than Sherman cannot shoot back. Another possible way is to hide your tank and wait till Sherman (or any tank) turns its side armour - side armour is weaker. Or another solution - if you cannot find any good counter to that tank, try AT gun ;-) For example british 17pndr or 93mm AA can make cake from Sherman ;-)

[Titanictwist1]

Yes don't play allied vs allied games, they simply don't work properly.

A cromwell is less expensive than a sherman so it should lose. The firefly and archer are both high penetration low armor tanks. They can easily lose to cheaper tanks because of this, they are not good choices to fight sherman. Instead use the comet a more balanced tank, it will also win against a sherman76 usually.

As far as commonwealth vs germany. Basically all non-german tanks got nerfed from AS1 and german tanks got buffed because of realistic gun penetration changes,

I think you need to play a bit more with tanks in AS2. If you only played 2 games, to base this thread on than most likely your thoughts are being influenced too much by lucky shots, or someone using a tank improperly.

[ewt.strat29]

"but before we did a commonwealth v germany and the shermans were still OP , "

hmm I think you maybe need to learn the tank usage a bit. Germans have many opptions to take shermans out in a even field. G can quite well, sherman will haev a very very small better chance if opponent angles well... but it is cheaper at 400mp. you also have H/stug for more of a sure kill.. at 600mp, or bradenbergers, and the 3 pointmarder

[Bzura]

Should there be an axis vs allias rule for matchmaking?

[BoltAction9898]

If allies vs allies dosent work why don't they balance it then?

[Titanictwist1]

"Axis vs allies rule for matchmaking"

Yes, without a doubt. Ally vs Ally and mirror matches are just not good gameplay or balanced. It is very silly that they are allowed. Especially with locked units on. The problem with matchmaking is that then it will be hard to find games. Honestly their are so many problems with matchmaking that I doubt it will ever be balanced and playable.

Besides optimal bandwidth which needs to change to min. Matchmaking has a huge problem. Theres a thousand different ways to make a game unbalanced using the current options. From maps, nations, ping, team mates, locked units... etc. Matchmaking just randomly picks all of these things, so it usually ends up picking out options that make things very unbalanced. That is why even if netcode and quitting is fixed, I doubt it will ever work.

"Why don't they balance it"
Because the nations are balanced to fight allies vs axis. If they change the balance, then it will affect axis vs allies balance.

[Vashyo]

Firefly should crush sherman at max range even if enemy has it angled, you are either the unluckiest person ever or you are playing wrong.

We are talking about the cheapest sherman right?

[Bzura]

Maybe it would be easier to find games if players could only select either Axis or Allies and then matchmaking would select a specific nation to them. It would be better for creating team games esp 4v4s. The community is very small so the matchmaking should be more steamlined.

Mirror matches and allies vs allies are bad gameplay and I would hate to discuss things like how to kill a Sherman with a T34 or something like that.

[Rajaz]

you were probably facing a sherman Jumbo...

[76561198047534318]

Playing Allies vs Allies would be dominated by the one who gets lucky. First counter to a 700 to 900 MP unit would be at 1500 to 1600 MP. By then you get rickrolled.

[Athena's Spear]

Originally posted by Winterwolf:

you were probably facing a sherman Jumbo...

76mm I was using, but if you have to bring up 17 punders to desroy a sherman something is wrong, it was straight down a road, hitting staight on the front upper glacis and the turret. A 75mm from the churchill should have been enough.

[Rajaz]

even a 17pdr can't take down a Jumbo frontally but in any case no one here ever had trouble destroying a sherman I used to take down shermans with matildas I don't know what's up