white male character

[kapten kebab]

i need a white male character to be added to the game to consider trying the game out can anyone update me when they add one?

[[NGNS-SWE] ⚡ Quezkatolen ⚡]

Tomb Raider wasnt just about boobs in 3D, as someone who remember it at launch and some of the reviews in gaming magazines people praised the adventure, the action against beast or humans, the impressive music which suddenly went into almost creepy silence, mysterious ruins to uncover and as some woman even wrote back in the 90s - people can talk about the boobs, her braids, the wet suit, but this game would have been just as great for me if they removed Lara and added a man. Thats what people are missing. When resident evil 2 gets too bloody and dark, this is what suits me perfectly.

I dont get this notion that, if you add sexualized characters, it must means that the gameplay is lacking, or the world itself and it must be for horny basement dwellers- like they cant coexist.

[Guzma]

I'll reiterate the point I made in the other thread. The issue is this game is, actually, not diverse in the sense players want

"But they have tons of characters that are black, asian, alien etc..." and that might fit the rough definition of what diversity is... but if you actually check all characters, you'll see that none of them particularly stand out besides the token robot character (seriously, why do all these OW clones limit themselves to one robot?) and Star-Child, they are all humanoid characters that don't breathe personality from their appearances.

Starting with Baze, Jabali, Kyps and Vale, you are given four characters that wear glasses or variant, you'll be hard pressed from looking at their portrait which one is the healer, which one is the melee expert, which one is the spy-like, and which one is the sniper. Eventually, the bigger portraits you can find on the net displays the weapon of Baze so you understand she is a melee-centric character, but that's your only clue. Nothing else in her displays that it's her job, same with the other (except arguably Kyps as these goggles are common in spy movies). That's already four characters.

It-Z, Teo and Lennox have literally nothing interesting in their design. They do not have anything outstanding at all, even compared to the rest of the cast. Which is, I suppose, the way of saying "they are the all-rounders because nothing makes them stand out", but being the basic character does not mean you should make them boring to look at.

Duchesse and Haymar are two asian women wearing robes that take inspirations from obscure cults in other medias with their default stance showing them having an attitude. It doesn't point out they have totally different gameplays, again. They didn't try adding some sort of genuine difference between them on a superficial level, the design is too similar for two characters on a base roster and, once again, does not focus on what they do much.

Out of 16 characters, it's already 9 characters that don't have much personality.

Daveers- A lady in an anti-explosion suit using grenades as her main weapon. Not super original, and frankly, she looks plain, but at least in her design, it works to explain what she does.

Daw- OK, it's a dude that's pretty large, so he must be... Wait, it's a healer? Literally nothing in his design indicates that. Bad.

Emari- Her design it self explanatory, I would have removed the blue lipstick. Why they decided to make her fat is beyond me, but, genuinely and without sounding woke, it might not even be the worst design of the cast. It's just boring and not original to have an armored character that just happens to be a fat black lady. It's like Daveers, bland and using a character of a different skin, age group or gender doesn't mean much, especially when the rest of the cast IS filled with black ladies, or elder ladies.

Larx- We are getting somewhere. She looks like a mushrooms, looks infected... Yes, her powers are about spores. At least this is cool, but once again, it's a humanoid character instead of allowing themselves to go slightly wild. She is a mushroom people, give her maybe extra limbs, or facial features, or something. Her outfit is also pretty basic, like a basic space scavenger that the rest of the Alien characters are mostly wearing.

Roka- The rocket launcher character. Since she is wearing a helmet, nothing much to say, would depend on her voice lines I guess. I spared her from joining It-Z, Teo and Lennox but her design is also nothing exceptional and very bland/basic. An anis/absinthe suit, a helmet with a red visor. If the rest of the cast was well-done, you might take it easy with her, but so far, they didn't earn that in my eyes.

Star-Child- A big hairy blue dude wearing a belt filled with shotgun pellets. From his design, you guess it's a Melee centric character using some close range weapon, and for this one, they nailed it. He is exactly that, and doesn't look totally boring. Good, good.

1-0FF- The robot character. Since he is the only robot that doesn't look too humanoid (followed by Star-Child), he is by default the one who might be the most original character of the cast, though when compared to other medias, he is not an exceptional design, but in the closed ecosystem of Concord, he is decent.


Well, shortly put if you don't want to read everything, when you work on a design, you have a few things to do to make them feel different from each other; try using different colors, distinguishable outfits, differents races, different shapes, and use a pose to display the character's attitude. Five basics. You don't HAVE to use all five of those each time, hell some games can discard some of these (TF2 doesn't go too far in the color department, and there are 7 white guys, one black guy and one god-knows-what with Pyro), but you better ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ work well on the other aspects when making a hero shooter.

And this game failed at that for one of its core aspects. Overusage of purple and anis as colors, outfits extremely similar for a third of the cast, characters with the same skin colors having similar outfits and personalities displayed from their portraits, everyone but four have the same body type, and out of the four not mentioned, only one is not humanoid.
Mixed together, it makes for a not very memorable cast.

[Toriva]

Originally posted by NGNS-SWE ⚡ Quezkatolen ⚡:

Tomb Raider wasnt just about boobs in 3D, as someone who remember it at launch and some of the reviews in gaming magazines people praised the adventure, the action against beast or humans, the impressive music which suddenly went into almost creepy silence, mysterious ruins to uncover and as some woman even wrote back in the 90s - people can talk about the boobs, her braids, the wet suit, but this game would have been just as great for me if they removed Lara and added a man. Thats what people are missing. When resident evil 2 gets too bloody and dark, this is what suits me perfectly.

Then why does Tomb Raider has a 80% male playerbase?

Look at the new Fable game. Fable was insanely popular back in the day, but now that they didn't pick a supermodel as main character the game is already getting burned down before it has even released. I'm 100% sure that Tomb Raider would have walked the same path if Lara Croft was average looking.

[[NGNS-SWE] ⚡ Quezkatolen ⚡]

Originally posted by DeVRspeler:

Originally posted by NGNS-SWE ⚡ Quezkatolen ⚡:

Tomb Raider wasnt just about boobs in 3D, as someone who remember it at launch and some of the reviews in gaming magazines people praised the adventure, the action against beast or humans, the impressive music which suddenly went into almost creepy silence, mysterious ruins to uncover and as some woman even wrote back in the 90s - people can talk about the boobs, her braids, the wet suit, but this game would have been just as great for me if they removed Lara and added a man. Thats what people are missing. When resident evil 2 gets too bloody and dark, this is what suits me perfectly.

Then why does Tomb Raider has a 80% male playerbase?

Look at the new Fable game. Fable was insanely popular back in the day, but now that they didn't pick a supermodel as main character the game is already getting burned down before it has even released. I'm 100% sure that Tomb Raider would have walked the same path if Lara Croft was average looking.

what do you think the sex of a broad majority of gamers in the late 90s was over the playstation 1?
just because my mom bought my ps1 or n64 and most games doesnt mean that the ps1 was played by a woman in her late 30s, right? even if a document gonna claim it was a woman in her 30s buying all that stuff, doesnt make her a "gamer" so a lot of those stats are just wrong for obvious reasons.

btw I think Lara, when she was based on real gymnast models was the best version, im not asking for DDs and an hour glass shape body but I dont want a masculine face or a Lara Croft who, for ex in one of her latest games was ashamed of her profession because woke people need to talk about "white theft" 24/7 from other cultures.

[Toriva]

Originally posted by NGNS-SWE ⚡ Quezkatolen ⚡:

Originally posted by DeVRspeler:

Then why does Tomb Raider has a 80% male playerbase?

Look at the new Fable game. Fable was insanely popular back in the day, but now that they didn't pick a supermodel as main character the game is already getting burned down before it has even released. I'm 100% sure that Tomb Raider would have walked the same path if Lara Croft was average looking.

what do you think the sex of gamers in the late 90s was over the playstation 1?
just because my mom bought my ps1 or n64 and most games doesnt mean that the ps1 played by a woman in her late 30s, right?

You have a point there. But this actually proofs it even more.

These days there is a bigger variety of gamers on the internet, and if games like Tomb Raider are still male dominated to this day, and games like Fable get burned down because they don't have their own Lara Croft, then it really shows that actually nothing changed in terms of diversity... Because indeed, most gamers were male in the 90's.

[Toxo]

Originally posted by DeVRspeler:

Originally posted by Toxo:

You see, since there are so many exceptions to your rule, you have no choice but to accept that the mayority of us sees no rule at all. It all comes down to prefferences and lenses. And your lense is reading my story about my childhood playing tomb raider, and implying little me enjoyed gameplay in - to the time - revolutionary freedom of 3d movement in a complex and immersive environment simply because my prepubescent brain to the time could stare at asses...
The ♥♥♥♥!?
In fact I pity you. You look at classics like GTA San Andreas, and see nothing but racism while the rest of us can look at it and see that it in fact it promoted black rap culture and real black artists to a global audience, while tackling all kinds of social topics, like organized crime, police brutality and abuse of power, follies in the judiciary system and resocialization of convicts, government corruption, etc. And featured some of the best immersive story telling and open world gameplay you could get at the time.

I don't only see racism. GTA V did it right with Franklin. It's just that there was no mix of people in those shady neighbourhoods at all. I have still enjoyed the game in general, but if you start thinking about it, then you will see that it's really a one-sided story. Things like abuse of power and goverment corruption could also be displayed with a mix of characters i think.

Your lense is making you feel misserable, because it puts you into the shoes of someone who's entire experience is to feel opressed by... who exactly? The patriarchy? I don't get checks from them. Some systematic racism? Explain all the black police officers, SA's, DA's, judges, teachers, college proffessors, CEO's and military officers in various ranks for gods sake.

Gonna sperg out about sexism next? Female oppression in our society? Explain to me the unproportionally higher male suicide rates, anti-male bias in custody cases, the the virtual non-existence of shelters for male domestic-abuse victims, while those cases make up about 30% of all recorded cases.
Wanna tout the horn of the gender wage gap? Go for it, pull up the numbers, adjust them for hourly wages and actually worked hours, and within any given occupation, that wage gap disappears. It was nothing but a statistical fluke to beginn with.

I mean ♥♥♥♥, there is not even a justification for DEI policies in the first place. Every single one of them exists solely because of cherrypicking and erroneously interpreted data, or is the result of sociology self-report studies, with zero credibility, repeatedly blown out of the water by psychological research.

Or go and tell me about all that police brutality going on, and I simply point you into the direction of Proffessor Roland Fryer, who blew the same horn as your ilk, until he ran the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ numbers. All of a sudden he's an Uncle Tom, lol. THAT's some fine racism right there.
/rant

Seriously, even if you only hold part of the positions listed up there, you sit in a cult. Rip that board off of your forehead, and enjoy your past time with some fine gaming, without some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ advocates trying to lecture you on their loony conspiracy theories.

Now you are gronna bring the entire thread into the real world. I would rather go back to my very first post and i'm very curious about your answer..

At the game awards show, Next Fest and all other shows that happened with livestreams, a new game was revealed... It starts with a black screen, it starts showing a forest, Chat is calm... A campfire comes into screen.. Hmm looks cozy.. Chat is still calm..

.. First character comes into the screen, no name yet, no story yet, character happens to be a black female: Chat: "DEI DETECTED, DEI!!! WOKE!!! WOKE!!!!! SKIP! NEXT GAME PLZ!!"

Why is that? Doesn't that prove my point? Through my lense i can only explain this that people are scared / sad / angry that a person of colour has a role as a main character.

You don't know her name, you don't know her story, you don't know her mission, the only thing you see is her appearance, and people go mad..

I this doesn't proof that gaming benefits from diversity, and that people are upset that this is happening in more games these days in comparison to the decades before this, then i don't know what else can proof this.

Yea no , you don't get to exclude real life politics from this discussion, because we have forced diversity in gaming, BECAUSE of erroneously implied political grieveances that this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ DEI agenda is supposed to alleviate via advocacy.

But anyways, lets play your stupid game.
Storm. Established in the X-men since the 90's. No one cared.
Kandle Johnson, GTA:SA no one cared
Clementine, the walking dead TTG. No one cared.

And now comes my move in YOUR stupid game: Explain to me WHY no one cared. You might learn something while trying to come up with an answer.

[[NGNS-SWE] ⚡ Quezkatolen ⚡]

yeah dont get me wrong, I get that we need to appeal to women as well. but the changes of Lara Croft has been absurd to me- and I guess I can speak out against it since I was there day1 on the ps1 and back then didnt care about her "sexuality" very much like Tifas- I was just too young and thought they were pretty "cool".

[The Archivist]

Originally posted by DeVRspeler:

Just by this comment i can already tell that you are against diversity

I am against forced diversity, yes. Thanks for figuring me out.

Originally posted by DeVRspeler:

because you know very well that’s not true.

Actually, I know for a fact that it is. Then again, I've had the honor of playing during the PS2 era, and anyone who was around then can easily point out to your the massive library of games that had a good variety of both game and character.

Originally posted by DeVRspeler:

I can name hudreds of games, but i’ll make it easy:

I can name a hundred games as well that feature a protagonist that isn't your worst nightmare (A white man, OoooOoOOooOooOoo)

Originally posted by DeVRspeler:

Two of the biggest franchises out there: Battlefield had no women in their first 4 games, and Call of Duty’s first 7 games had no female soldiers and Call of Duty 2 didn’t even had black soldiers in them. Not even on the multiplayer map Toujane, a city in AFRICA….

What makes me sad isn't that you decided to go point at two military shooters in an effort at a gotcha (Also kinda racist to think that Africa = only black people), but that your gaming knowledge only extends as far as Call of Duty and Battlefield, and not counting anything else before or prior.

Me calling you a fake gamer is quite valid and warranted.

Originally posted by Toxo:

"Representation"? ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ pointless. Most badass action hero I remember from my younger days was ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Blade, the daywalker. Doesn't "represent me" in the slightest, and yet impressed younger me quite a lot.

It's quite mindbreaking to think that people can look at a character not by how much melanin they got or what is between their legs, but rather by how appealing they are. Be it badass rating, their intellect or how attractive they are.
Something that seems to be an absolute foreign concept to some unhinged weirdos.

Originally posted by DeVRspeler:

A game with a 80% male playerbase, and we all know the reason.

Because males are the predominant demographic when it comes to action videogames, as women aren't typically interested in those kinds of games. Shocking, I know, to think that an action game would appeal to one person more than a casual match-three mobile game would.

I'd address more of your paragraphs, but they're frankly really unhinged and not worth the time. Let us just agree that you're not really a gamer, or are at the very least someone living in a state of complete delusion, and for you to go away.

[Toriva]

Originally posted by Toxo:

Originally posted by DeVRspeler:

I don't only see racism. GTA V did it right with Franklin. It's just that there was no mix of people in those shady neighbourhoods at all. I have still enjoyed the game in general, but if you start thinking about it, then you will see that it's really a one-sided story. Things like abuse of power and goverment corruption could also be displayed with a mix of characters i think.




Now you are gronna bring the entire thread into the real world. I would rather go back to my very first post and i'm very curious about your answer..

At the game awards show, Next Fest and all other shows that happened with livestreams, a new game was revealed... It starts with a black screen, it starts showing a forest, Chat is calm... A campfire comes into screen.. Hmm looks cozy.. Chat is still calm..

.. First character comes into the screen, no name yet, no story yet, character happens to be a black female: Chat: "DEI DETECTED, DEI!!! WOKE!!! WOKE!!!!! SKIP! NEXT GAME PLZ!!"

Why is that? Doesn't that prove my point? Through my lense i can only explain this that people are scared / sad / angry that a person of colour has a role as a main character.

Explain to me Mirrors Edge. Asian, no one cared.

You don't know her name, you don't know her story, you don't know her mission, the only thing you see is her appearance, and people go mad..

I this doesn't proof that gaming benefits from diversity, and that people are upset that this is happening in more games these days in comparison to the decades before this, then i don't know what else can proof this.

Yea no , you don't get to exclude real life politics from this discussion, because we have forced diversity in gaming, BECAUSE of erroneously implied political grieveances that this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ DEI agenda is supposed to alleviate via advocacy.

But anyways, lets play your stupid game.
Storm. Established in the X-men since the 90's. No one cared.
Kandle Johnson, GTA:SA no one cared
Clementine, the walking dead TTG. No one cared.

And now comes my move in YOUR stupid game: Explain to me WHY no one cared. You might learn something while trying to come up with an answer.

Because those characters were well made. Clementine was well made. Lee was well made aswell. That's why it's insane that people are now judging someone by just seeing her sitting by a campfire.

Btw, "Forced diversity" doesn't exsist... ALL games are made because the DEVELOPER has a vision. Not because they just want to annoy some white male gamers, don't worry about that.

[[NGNS-SWE] ⚡ Quezkatolen ⚡]

I actually can give you an example of forced diversity, or rather its not natural.

Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes the game made by the former suikoden developers.

It had two guys on the front cover when it got funded and shown over kickstarter, the asian looking main character and his friend, the blond guy, very much like suikoden 2 in the past with the friends split up and now taking diffrent sides.

suddenly it got leaked that they have been DEI invested and the game is delayed- months later and now a black woman is on the cover and part of the story.

so these bank loans, they literally changes the story and adventure of games today- and even delay them.

like come on, they went from two guys on the cover to the game being delayed and now a black woman is on the cover with them?! And we arnt allowed to say anything without being racist or sexist etc? You literally changed the whole story and delayed the game because of DEI enforcement. and as I said, when you question or notice it- you are the problem suddenly.

[Guzma]

Originally posted by DeVRspeler:

Btw, "Forced diversity" doesn't exsist... ALL games are made because the DEVELOPER has a vision. Not because they just want to annoy some white male gamers, don't worry about that.

I can agree with your points in other posts, but this one is blatantly false, as Sweet Baby Inc. is literally a corporation that gives you money if you introduce, notably, more characters of other races that were not present in the original build of said game, as this company IS focues on narratives and story telling in medias. Quote on quote from their website.

Except if you include "need moar money" as part of the vision, which is fair but probably not what you thought about.

[The Archivist]

Originally posted by NGNS-SWE ⚡ Quezkatolen ⚡:

yeah dont get me wrong, I get that we need to appeal to women as well. but the changes of Lara Croft has been absurd to me- and I guess I can speak out against it since I was there day1 on the ps1 and back then didnt care about her "sexuality" very much like Tifas- I was just too young and thought they were pretty "cool".

Trying to brute-force something to make it appealing for women is a futile effort, because sticking a chick onto the cover of something isn't automatically going to make women automatically wanna go and buy and play the thing. If it worked like that, Champions of Norrath Return to Arms would've had a booming playerbase of hot women :p

If you wanna, say... Get a lady interested in Warhammer 40k, you don't go about it by retconning the lore or add female space marines. First you have to make sure that the lady is interested in sci-fi mixed with magic, strategy and brutal violence against demon-possessed cults and alien filth. And let me tell you, ladies interested in that kind of stuff are few and far between (That's why you gotta cherish them as well)

[[NGNS-SWE] ⚡ Quezkatolen ⚡]

Originally posted by Nariak of Insanity:

Originally posted by NGNS-SWE ⚡ Quezkatolen ⚡:

yeah dont get me wrong, I get that we need to appeal to women as well. but the changes of Lara Croft has been absurd to me- and I guess I can speak out against it since I was there day1 on the ps1 and back then didnt care about her "sexuality" very much like Tifas- I was just too young and thought they were pretty "cool".

Trying to brute-force something to make it appealing for women is a futile effort, because sticking a chick onto the cover of something isn't automatically going to make women automatically wanna go and buy and play the thing. If it worked like that, Champions of Norrath Return to Arms would've had a booming playerbase of hot women :p

If you wanna, say... Get a lady interested in Warhammer 40k, you don't go about it by retconning the lore or add female space marines. First you have to make sure that the lady is interested in sci-fi mixed with magic, strategy and brutal violence against demon-possessed cults and alien filth. And let me tell you, ladies interested in that kind of stuff are few and far between (That's why you gotta cherish them as well)

right. but I dont think we have to be radical. you can keep her boobs, like with tifa in ff7 and still let her "kick ass" as they did in the ff7 remake, and have her side stories, mini games and flesh her out as a character. just look over youtube, they added a kissing scene with tifa and the reactions of people screaming/crying are all women- its not people like you and me who that scene was added for.
im sure they could have fleshed out lara croft to appeal to more women without removing the sexualized part.
the character need to be still popular among the old fans, that I agree with.

[The Archivist]

Originally posted by NGNS-SWE ⚡ Quezkatolen ⚡:

Originally posted by Nariak of Insanity:

Trying to brute-force something to make it appealing for women is a futile effort, because sticking a chick onto the cover of something isn't automatically going to make women automatically wanna go and buy and play the thing. If it worked like that, Champions of Norrath Return to Arms would've had a booming playerbase of hot women :p

If you wanna, say... Get a lady interested in Warhammer 40k, you don't go about it by retconning the lore or add female space marines. First you have to make sure that the lady is interested in sci-fi mixed with magic, strategy and brutal violence against demon-possessed cults and alien filth. And let me tell you, ladies interested in that kind of stuff are few and far between (That's why you gotta cherish them as well)

right. but I dont think we have to be radical. you can keep her boobs, like with tifa in ff7 and still let her "kick ass" as they did in the ff7 remake, and have her side stories, mini games and flesh her out as a character.
im sure they could have fleshed out lara croft to appeal to more women without removing the sexualized part.

Oh, the desexualization isn't meant to appeal to women because surprise surprise, most women actually like pretty things and probably would prefer a pretty character.
It's mostly done out of spite towards "The Male Gaze", whatever that is. Basically wanting to take away something from their paying customers because they hate them.

[Termix]

Originally posted by DeVRspeler:

Just by this comment i can already tell that you are against diversity, because you know very well that’s not true.

I can name hudreds of games, but i’ll make it easy:

Two of the biggest franchises out there: Battlefield had no women in their first 4 games, and Call of Duty’s first 7 games had no female soldiers and Call of Duty 2 didn’t even had black soldiers in them. Not even on the multiplayer map Toujane, a city in AFRICA…..

Games haven’t been diverse for over a decade, and you know it.

This is an insane take, especially when you consider how the majority feminists think about this situation and what is actually happening in the world right now.

But whatever, diversity is not bad, but forced diversity is almost always.
If you want tokenism, you're in the right industry, enjoy it while it lasts.

Originally posted by DeVRspeler:

Btw, "Forced diversity" doesn't exsist... ALL games are made because the DEVELOPER has a vision. Not because they just want to annoy some white male gamers, don't worry about that.

Yes, it does.
There are game developers that came out about their character designs getting altered by "other companies" to appeal to a more modern audience and he even provided an example that he took a model as inspiration and it came out like a circus freak.