Sony should halt all their DEI WOKE project if they dont want to lose anymore money ? Do you agree ?

[shiro]

Do you agree ?

[RinnosukeKuto]

Yesn't. If this is the type of project that they publish, yes. If they release something that's an attractive and entertaining game alongside DEI? No.
It all depends on the context. I don't mind representation and stuff as long as it's not clearly shoehorned or it's become a pivotal point to the detriment of everything else— especially when not even the entirety of the publishers/makers care about that stuff in the first place and only do it to follow trends and pull in more customers who do care and are happy to receive even those half attempts.

[shiro]

Originally posted by RinnosukeKuto:

Yesn't. If this is the type of project that they publish, yes. If they release something that's an attractive and entertaining game alongside DEI? No.
It all depends on the context. I don't mind representation and stuff as long as it's not clearly shoehorned or it's become a pivotal point to the detriment of everything else— especially when not even the entirety of the publishers/makers care about that stuff in the first place and only do it to follow trends and pull in more customers who do care and are happy to receive even those half attempts.

i'm sorry but nowadays they are the whole package DEI, WOKE, Virtue-Signaling, Agendas, Propagandas, and all the above you already said, Billion dollar company like Sony can't even separate those, look at the current situation right now.

[RinnosukeKuto]

Originally posted by shiro:

Originally posted by RinnosukeKuto:

Yesn't. If this is the type of project that they publish, yes. If they release something that's an attractive and entertaining game alongside DEI? No.
It all depends on the context. I don't mind representation and stuff as long as it's not clearly shoehorned or it's become a pivotal point to the detriment of everything else— especially when not even the entirety of the publishers/makers care about that stuff in the first place and only do it to follow trends and pull in more customers who do care and are happy to receive even those half attempts.

i'm sorry but nowadays they are the whole package DEI, WOKE, Virtue-Signaling, Agendas, Propagandas, and all the above you already said, Billion dollar company like Sony can't even separate those, look at the current situation right now.

Yeah, that's the issue. It's a hotpot of anything that people wanna read about because it's right. As long as it gets mentioned, good, that's representstion (when it isn't). So, by all means, this state of things? Hecc no, go back.

But if by some miracle they could sprinkle just small bits properly so to not make it obnoxious? Completely fine.

But yeah, current status quo is bad.

[Respecter]

Nope, Sony should have developers who can create own, creative things. Its not about woke, Its about a game, what they tried to spread on people based only on woke/dei and nothing else. You can make fun games, with woke characters and it wont be a failure just bec. of this.

[kiteless 凧無し]

Nah I want Sony to keep making DEI games so they hopefully bankrupt themselves

[Verdeth]

let them run it down, they need to learn it the hard way

[Black_Fox]

They can actually save some money by firing the DEI department / Diversity officers / Not hiring consultants of such sort. And probably their marketing teams too, as they clearly fail to do proper research.

It isn't hard to make good games with diverse characters if it has to be, but it's impossible to build a game around diverse characters as only selling point

[Joseph The Space Nord]

I think it has nothing to do with woke and DEI. It's the game itself. Last year the three biggest games all had woke in DEI elements. Baldurs gate 3 your character had pronouns. You can make a transsexual character and have gay Sex. In Starfield, there were pronouns and certain characters who are gay. Lastly, in hogwarts legacy, there are transsexual characters. Yet all of these games sold incredibly well. Concord is just a poorly designed game and it is completely uninteresting with far more games that are like it, which are all available for free.

[DeadPhoenix]

DEi and SBI are dying. Its pretty safe to say that companies are done with them.
Their games are failing left and right.

[Joseph The Space Nord]

Originally posted by DeadPhoenix:

DEi and SBI are dying. Its pretty safe to say that companies are done with them.
Their games are failing left and right.

But what does "woke" and "DEI" mean? There are plenty of games that have these elements and are very successful. I just think Concord is a game that no one asked for and it doesn't do anything different. Plus it is a market that's already over saturized with games just like it for free.

[Black_Fox]

Originally posted by Joseph The Space Nord:

Originally posted by DeadPhoenix:

DEi and SBI are dying. Its pretty safe to say that companies are done with them.
Their games are failing left and right.

But what does "woke" and "DEI" mean? There are plenty of games that have these elements and are very successful. I just think Concord is a game that no one asked for and it doesn't do anything different. Plus it is a market that's already over saturized with games just like it for free.

The difference is intend, design and presentation.

- Hogwarts for example puts gameplay, story and IP connections in the focus.
Games like Forspoken had the whole "diverse girl boss" trope as selling point

- Games like BG3, Mass Effect or Fallout have LGBT characters with the option to be one as main character, but that is optional and the NPC aren't used as selling point for the games
Now we have Dustborn, and I think I don't have to explain the issues in presentation and character design with that one.

As last point: The reaction to criticism from the studios. Woke or DEI driven devs will always blame bigots, sexists or racists as reason why they failed and never look at their own mistakes.

(Using movies as examples probably would have been easier though - Disney for example has gone full woke with their blackpainting of originally white characters for "more representation" purposes)
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What I want to say is: Does your game have diverse characters or was the game made soley to have diverse characters on the cost of everything else like story writting, character development or gameplay?

The answer determines if it's DEI pandering or woke