Who is the target audience of this game?

[Rebigela]

Nothing about it makes sense. The characters are horrific to look at, the graphics seem sub-par, the dialogue is terrible, the market is saturated. Who was this game made for?

[More Dakka]

Originally posted by Termix:

It's actually not hard to understand:
DEI will not make a bad game good, it will make it slightly worse.
DEI will not make a good game bad, but it will make it worse.

So DEI sucks, but if they had 10/10 gameplay, it would still have a playerbase, maybe it would be 90%, 80% or 70% of the maximum players, if they went without DEI, but that's just guessing.

I agree but I would add the caveat that it also depends on how DEI is implemented. For example, pronouns are likely to do less damage than making the characters ugly because the latter is something that the player comes into contact with more often. Similarly, if a text or voice acting heavy game keeps referring to everything as "they/them" (for the sake of so called "neutrality") then it's gonna grate on people's nerves as well.

Personally, I don't think DEI brings about any benefit in sales, negligible at best, cause their supporters tend to be a stingy bunch and only want to make a political point, not pay for it. On the hand, having it does more damage because it would bring about controversy at the very least, as with any sort of politics.

In terms of more tangible negative effects, it could even be a massive waste of budget and time because those consultancy fees don't come cheap if those figures floating around the net are to be believed, along with having to redo existing art assets and story scripts. Potentially millions spent on doing pronouns, race changing existing plans for characters and "uglifying" character models VS using those millions to extend production time and make it better. I believe the overwhelming majority of gamers would prefer the latter and probably even the rank and file devs (including artists) themselves.

[Fairy]

Character is ugly af, I don't give af if it's lgbt or black I don't care, many game have cute and cool lgbt or black character like baldur gate 3 but this game? overweight and cringe quirky woke - yaaah but it suppose to resemble realism, if I want realism I go to live a real life lol and I swear 90% of people I meet are not fat and ugly like that, well probably look like that if it's in america lol

[Power_Bert]

Gaming journalists, influencers and shareholders.

[IHaveLigma]

DEI

[Shalashaska]

Originally posted by Dakkar:

Originally posted by Sparhawk122:

It's for woke leftists who hate Trump and anyone in their belief echo chamber.

Found the fascist.

You do realize you're the exact same as those pro trump people right? The rest of us in the middle view you as no different, just radical ideologues who think anyone who disagrees is a bad person.

[The Archivist]

Originally posted by Dakkar:

Why don't you want to hear about it?

Because it's fabricated horseradish, usually talked about by people who are in actual privileged positions, trying to talk down to people under them.

[LightBeamOvHe]

Originally posted by Dam:

it's for people who want to fight white systemic racism through gaming, as per lead design Jon Weisnewski statement :

"the sentiment being expressed its that whites must acknowledge their privileged position, and then actively work for equality. It will be hard and confronting work, but if we don't we're complicit. And complicity allow systemic racism to persist."

Lol I searched for this name and I stumbled on an article on gamesradar. This guy legit defended the PSN requirement for Helldivers 2.
He's definitely a complete clown. He's one of those guys who do not understand the audience and isn't interested in that.

Which is crazy tbh. Why would you work so hard to make games and products for people you hate ?

Dude said that PSN is required for cross play and « players to come together » lol yeah sure, that's why I was able to play with PS5 players without it somehow.
I mean, the PSN thing never was a big deal to me, but it's crazy to be THAT tone-deaf, especially when you are trying to sell stuff to the same people. Good thing they won't be there in a few years.

[Kaslain]

modern audience of 52 ppl

[bgray9054]

It's for people who are in the pro-DEI / ESG / Woke crowd. These games can be successful, but they have to be made on a teeny tiny budget since it's such a small demographic that's into that stuff. And even those that are pushing it are usually just activists who are loud on social media but don't actually support products with their wallets.

[Termix]

Originally posted by More Dakka:

I agree but I would add the caveat that it also depends on how DEI is implemented. For example, pronouns are likely to do less damage than making the characters ugly because the latter is something that the player comes into contact with more often. Similarly, if a text or voice acting heavy game keeps referring to everything as "they/them" (for the sake of so called "neutrality") then it's gonna grate on people's nerves as well.

Personally, I don't think DEI brings about any benefit in sales, negligible at best, cause their supporters tend to be a stingy bunch and only want to make a political point, not pay for it. On the hand, having it does more damage because it would bring about controversy at the very least, as with any sort of politics.

In terms of more tangible negative effects, it could even be a massive waste of budget and time because those consultancy fees don't come cheap if those figures floating around the net are to be believed, along with having to redo existing art assets and story scripts. Potentially millions spent on doing pronouns, race changing existing plans for characters and "uglifying" character models VS using those millions to extend production time and make it better. I believe the overwhelming majority of gamers would prefer the latter and probably even the rank and file devs (including artists) themselves.

Yes, these points are all encompassed in my statement.
DEI makes everything worse, if the devs could make a better game (gameplay is bad, gamemodes are standard etc.), they could've done that in 6 years.
Sure maybe redesigns etc. took some time, but I'm sure Sony gladly paid for them.

[Letifer]

Originally posted by Dam:

It's for the "Modern Audience".

Guess they got them all playing, all 900 of them.

[ᴛᴀʟᴜ 🐦]

Originally posted by Dam:

it's for people who want to fight white systemic racism through gaming, as per lead design Jon Weisnewski statement :

"the sentiment being expressed its that whites must acknowledge their privileged position, and then actively work for equality. It will be hard and confronting work, but if we don't we're complicit. And complicity allow systemic racism to persist."

Sounds like racism to me.

[Orki]

braindeads who are full of hate like Dakkar

[Honorable Sir Ricard De Milos]

Originally posted by Kitty_Kat:

Originally posted by Termix:

It's actually not hard to understand:
DEI will not make a bad game good, it will make it slightly worse.
DEI will not make a good game bad, but it will make it worse.

quote: Tolkin

Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin good forces have invented or made'.

Lol, that's funny cause it's exactly what normal people would say to woke evil goblins...

Also, it's Tolkien but I get names wrong pretty often and my grammar is nowhere near perfect so I'm not trying to flame you for that, for the record.

[Rebigela]

Originally posted by Power_Bert:

Gaming journalists, influencers and shareholders.

I'm beginning to think that these games are just slop to cash in on investor cash.