Is the "Hero Shooter" dead?

[dickolasッ]

Overwatch 2 sits at around 30k+ active players on steam, and there will always be a community for Team Fortress.

I feel as if this sub-genre is where Smash Bros is right now, every game that tries to do something similar falls completely short. (Nick allstars, multiversus, riots canceled platform fighter) and just an example of failed hero shooters: Paladins, LawBreakers, Quake Champions, Battleborn, Gundam...

[BunnySpirit]

Obviously they know what audience they are targeting, but they also need to bring something new to the table. Being new with modern tech and graphics is great but something has to be appealing gameplay wise, something original at least.

Here it does look like production value is high, but nothing that fresh or orginal is presented. Why would anyone that plays OW or similar switch to this new game? Especially when the competition is Free2Play (and looking at steam charts they are the ones making the most money) and you are asking a price tag that no one is really interesting in paying.

Another problem is that some DEI politics got mixed up into it, it doesn't help much.

Hero shooters are definitely not dead, but they need something extra to convince old and new players to give it a try.

[NeoVICT]

This one is for sure, OW looks pretty healthy to me.

[Tarious]

I think hero shooters keep falling into the same trap of following TF2's original 6v6 meta. This kind of format limits the game and narrows the meta into something very specific. You can see it in overwatch where certain heroes are unplayable because they don't fit into the meta. Hell, TF2 has the same thing where Spy and engineer aren't played competitively because of how important each person is.

I think if a hero shooter came out that focused and balanced around a 12v12 or 10v10 competitive experience, we'd see something interesting.

[BunnySpirit]

Originally posted by Tarious:

I think hero shooters keep falling into the same trap of following TF2's original 6v6 meta. This kind of format limits the game and narrows the meta into something very specific. You can see it in overwatch where certain heroes are unplayable because they don't fit into the meta. Hell, TF2 has the same thing where Spy and engineer aren't played competitively because of how important each person is.

I think if a hero shooter came out that focused and balanced around a 12v12 or 10v10 competitive experience, we'd see something interesting.

12v12 could be a real mess with abilities and ults, unless you find ways to force players to split for one reaons or another. I think they stick to 6v6 or 5v5 because it worked in the passed, it's also easier to build on something that worked.

[Mutharex - Allkeyshop]

Don't think so but pushing out a remix of existing F2P games with no innovation and terrible characters design for 40 bucks? Yeah, that's a guaranteed flop

[Tarious]

Originally posted by BunnySpirit:

Originally posted by Tarious:

I think hero shooters keep falling into the same trap of following TF2's original 6v6 meta. This kind of format limits the game and narrows the meta into something very specific. You can see it in overwatch where certain heroes are unplayable because they don't fit into the meta. Hell, TF2 has the same thing where Spy and engineer aren't played competitively because of how important each person is.

I think if a hero shooter came out that focused and balanced around a 12v12 or 10v10 competitive experience, we'd see something interesting.

12v12 could be a real mess with abilities and ults, unless you find ways to force players to split for one reaons or another. I think they stick to 6v6 or 5v5 because it worked in the passed, it's also easier to build on something that worked.

You don't need these huge game changing effects of rezzing people or freezing everyone for ultimates. That's why I said 'balanced around'. Cause you sure as hell can't throw 24 people on an overwatch map and expect things to work.