The old homeworld 2 game.

[danielwhateley]

I went to install my old homeworld 2 game, which was working just 5 weeks ago cause i played it through, anyhow just to compare the difference in the two from videos and streams, to see the differences that have been made, and i start up the first mission, and the mouse functions won't work anymore, nothing has changed on my pc, and absolutely nothing has changed on the game in it's box, the ships move around but the camera is disabled or rather just sluggish, i don't know how this would be possible considering it's worked fine before on my pc, are they forcing players to purchase a new updated copy of the game i wonder due to them having copyright ?

i'll have to check if unplugging my internet free's up the camera in the older game.

[danielwhateley]

nope i guess it's not somehow interfering with it, but it was definately working 5 weeks ago before the remastered was released, strange.

[The Spunky Monkey]

Just read your post and as it happens I've got HW2 original installed. I'm running Windows 8.1 and the game runs fine. I've also got the remastered version installed and there does not appear to be any conflict.
I've adjusted the shortcut properties for HW2 original as follows:

"C:\Program Files (x86)\Sierra\Homeworld2\Bin\Release\Homeworld2.exe" -h 1080 -w 1920 /heap 3000

See if using these values on the shortcut helps. You can adjust the values for -h and -w to suit your screen resolution. Oh, try running the game as an administrator. I'll check back later and see if things have improved for you.

[danielwhateley]

yea it doesn't let me move the camera still, i've already set the variables like that in the config file aswell as your suggestion, won't let me focus target or move the camera from it's cinematic point, and i did mean an original boxed copy of homeworld 2, which i've had for years, and it's worked every time ive tried it, even on this pc that i've had for a year now, just lately, since this new remastered version has i haven't been able to move the camera on the original game, downloaded the latest patch too and it doesn't fix it, but i've seen people play the original homeworld 2 game just fine in the remastered collection, and it's not a software issue with keyboard or my mouse, because i can tell that resource collector to harvest with the key, i don't even know how the game decided it wants to act like this, since it was working fine not all that long ago, and nothing has changed on my pc. lol, i wouldn't be surprised if they've forced the old copies of the game to be obsolete somehow, but that's impossible.

[danielwhateley]

well it's confirmed that the game knows i'm using camera functions, as the tutorial recognises that i am but nothing happens there either

[danielwhateley]

after scouring around, found that vsync fixes it, just compatibility issues i suppose, they must have set the original game in the remastered series to automatically turn vsync on.

[Mr.Thi]

Hw2 had always a Problem with Vsync on some systems. There seems to be a difference on AMD and Nvidia cards. But can't tell, as I have no AMD Card available.

Depending on the system you will notice heavy lag to no lag but you will definetly notice something is not right.

... the idea they manipulated your old game is pretty funny XD. Not fully impossible but horribly unlikely. But we should stay we the more realistic solutions ;-)

[The Spunky Monkey]

Originally posted by danielwhateley:

after scouring around, found that vsync fixes it, just compatibility issues i suppose, they must have set the original game in the remastered series to automatically turn vsync on.

Glad to hear you found a solution! Have fun!

[SandWormJr]

I missed that the question was about Homeworld 2. Disregard please.

[Mr.Thi]

... No all the settings are saved inside the profiles folder, in file PLAYERCFG.LUA.

[danielwhateley]

Originally posted by Mr.Thi:

... No all the settings are saved inside the profiles folder, in file PLAYERCFG.LUA.

Well theres actually a backup made in your app data, and to access that it'd need a registry key or maybe it saves it there first until you exit the game, i dunno.

Also he is right that it isn't horribly unlikely, but i'm certain now that the gearbox devs didn't alter the disc game, but it would have been the nvidia update to not force vsync anymore, looking through the patch notes for that, 2 weeks ago the version was having issues with forcing vsync by itself, they removed that, hence making the camera unfunctionable for me.

also the path for the old disc isn't sierra online, it's just sierra, and you really shouldn't mess with your registry keys, not even with a registry key cleaner, it's an easy way to miss something or remove a path that's still in use even though the game isn't installed, rendering some games to not work properly after, but that being said now.

Doesn't matter though I dont think that gearbox would stop other players from playing the old disc version, i was super sceptical that they might have, because it would be pretty easy to force something like that through nvidia updates or push a copyright through certain antivirus', but mostly i dont think so because as it stands it's unplayable anyway, crashes most of the time, doesn't have the correct resolution, laggy if you force it to the correct one, and the game is spectacularly detailed after it's remastering, i mean i won't buy it, i've played it enough in the past to not want to, though if shipbreakers is a success i might buy it and remastered if it's cheaper, cause i paid $15, 6 years ago for HW1 and 2 together, you're only paying $30 for the rework they've done really, the game should be considered free after 10 years, all the original bugs carried on, which if anyone reading is wondering, they have no intention of fixing, and the bugs came through more so when they started trying to fix formations, the HUD and all the little things.

[Mr.Thi]

Originally posted by danielwhateley:

you're only paying $30 for the rework they've done really, the game should be considered free after 10 years

... ok I'm out... -.-*

No reasonable discussion possible here

[danielwhateley]

Originally posted by Mr.Thi:

Originally posted by danielwhateley:

you're only paying $30 for the rework they've done really, the game should be considered free after 10 years

... ok I'm out... -.-*

No reasonable discussion possible here

Good, cause you weren't following topic anyway, the topic was, game won't let me pan camera, i came to this thread thinking that people have played the original game as much as i, but the one inside the remastered collection, and maybe found that the camera wasn't working, the topic wasn't about where the saved profile data is located, though i found the answer i was looking for myself as there wasn't enough discussion happening here.

Also about the price of the game right now, there is a lot of people who think it's too high to buy, it is not a new game, if it were, it'd be worth it's price right now, it is polished graphics, compatability added for new generation graphics and moved around GUI, no bugs were fixed in fact they probably broke more of the gameplay than fixing it, the most amount of work came from the original developers of the artwork, gearbox only rescripted it to make it run on later systems and moved around GUI to make it suited for this day and age which actually looks exactly the same as the complex mod.

[Mr.Thi]

... it all was about vsync. And the setting for Vsync is located in the file I posted above.

But you should be right with your conclusion that your Nvidia update broke it, because it seems to be activated this way on your system.

For me the pprice is justified, as they bought the license for a lot of money from a dying THQ. This alone needed to be repleaced. You where not able to buy the game anywhere officially for several years. Only some leftovers on ebay or amazon could be found. Then 2 years of development - even if not fulltime -it cost a lot of money for a non indie dev.

The fact that you consider it beeing free is simply obscene.

One could argue that 30€ is still too much but I won't think that. You basically get 2 Games that alone would cost a lot if you wanted to buy them before from original CD/DVD and in addition a remastered version. It's basically 4 games for less then 10 € each.

I have played complex and provided some single models - don't know if they actually got used finally, but I can safely say that there is a huge improvemnt in Visuals and technical limitations that alone justify the price for every one who likes the game and it's mods. The mixing of HW1 and HW2 gameplay elements will in addition provide several benefits in the future regarding modding.