Kushan vs Vagyr - unbalanced???

[gibbotronic]

Hello

I know HW1 was all about fighters and how you could only succeed with bombers against capital ships, with fighters set to protect them. With a bunch of ion frigates and a bombers, enemy assault frigates and ships without beam weapons typically did not last long.

In HW2, it is easy to win if as a Higaaran you build a battlecruiser and then set the rest of your fleet to protect it (both fighters and frigates). That way, you can roam around easily and slowly with the battlecruiser and it will be pretty much invincible with the beam weapons.

With Vagyr, you can fly in with a battlecruiser and remove large capital ships with that big red beamy thing (I forget the name, I never play as them).

But with Kushan and HW1 versus HW2 ships, what can you do? If you have a heavy cruiser with ships set to protect it, it lasts a very short time against a Vagyr battlecruiser. The Vagyr can just fire the red beamy thing (must find out the name) and your battlecruiser will be gone. You can set fighters to attack the various subsections of the Vagyr (like the missile battery) but still, they are very difficult to defeat.

Does anyone have any suggestions? I tried with 30 bombers and a fleet of heavy corvettes and multigun corvettes and a heavy cruiser, multiple assault frigates and ion frigates against a Vagyr battlecruiser and they were all made mincemeat.

Ideas?

[PhoenixBorn]

Is this with or without the Official Gearbox Balance Testing Mod?

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=505794452

[SievertChaser]

The Trinity cannon.

One of the key ideas when fighting the Vaygr Battlecruiser is to run from that thing. Apparently, the Hiigaran cruiser, with its turretted main guns, can outmaneuver it, especially in the vertical dimension.

[Lcpl Liru]

All hail the Trinity cannon!!!

Strategy fighting Hiigaren BCs (BattleCruisers): Bomber spam those ion turrets, it turns the thing into a slow moving armored destroyer...

Strategy for Vaygr BCs: Bomber spam the missile launcher, then use destroyers or even Ion frigates and attack move around it, avoiding its frontal Trinity Cannon. It, again, turns it into a slow moving armored destroyer...

HW1 Heavy cruisers dont have hardpoints but 1v1 agianst BCs, so long as you follow the strategies above, 1v1, HW1 wins.

[Kwiserach]

Just aim for the Vaygr BC Engine to make it a sittimg duck so it cant aim the Trinity Gun Easy

[Sardonic Angel]

Take out the Ion cannons then the engines. If you let them save up for a Battlecruiser you've already made a mistake. Homeworld One is great early game.

[Firewalk]

Originally posted by dennis.danilov:

The Trinity cannon.

One of the key ideas when fighting the Vaygr Battlecruiser is to run from that thing. Apparently, the Hiigaran cruiser, with its turretted main guns, can outmaneuver it, especially in the vertical dimension.

This. Don't forget that your ships can maneuver in battle. If the Vaygr cruiser starts pointing its nose, select whatever ship he's gonna hit and make a strafing maneuver. You might still get hit, but you might avoid at least 1-2 of the trinity projectiles. Use bombers and whatever else you can spare to take care of the fusion missile launchers and the cruiser is stuck using its point-defense lasers which aren't strong against anything larger than a corvette.

The Vaygr BC is strong on the offense, hence why a bunch of those hyperspacing in can take out a mothership in moments. But force them on the defense and they need escorts to survive.

[Chucky Dickens]

Originally posted by Kraft_Lawrence:

All hail the Trinity cannon!!!

Strategy fighting Hiigaren BCs (BattleCruisers): Bomber spam those ion turrets, it turns the thing into a slow moving armored destroyer...

Strategy for Vaygr BCs: Bomber spam the missile launcher, then use destroyers or even Ion frigates and attack move around it, avoiding its frontal Trinity Cannon. It, again, turns it into a slow moving armored destroyer...

HW1 Heavy cruisers dont have hardpoints but 1v1 agianst BCs, so long as you follow the strategies above, 1v1, HW1 wins.

This.

Also, fun fact, if you play as Vaygr and get 5-10 squadrons of Laser Corvettes, you own the game. (at least in my experiance.)