Why is Odin so terrible?

[Burma Jones]

All his numbers feel too low, his passive is basically nothing at all, no one cares at all about his ult, other than 2+1+3 combo you can't even perceive his damage contribution in a fight. He needs a full on buff added to each ability he has or a big rework.

[Aodha]

Odin can be a beast, one of my favourite, really solid. Maybe you should practise some more?

[Spriggan]

really what makes him suck is that you can get a relic that counters his ult for your whole team at level 1

[Burma Jones]

Originally posted by Aodha:

Odin can be a beast, one of my favourite, really solid. Maybe you should practise some more?

How do you build him? And be honest, is he a beast in games your team was winning and you could've played something else anyways?

A beast relative to most other gods? I disagree. But I might just need to understand him better. I never see anyone else play him though.

[Zunymitshu]

Originally posted by Burma Jones:

Originally posted by Aodha:

Odin can be a beast, one of my favourite, really solid. Maybe you should practise some more?

How do you build him? And be honest, is he a beast in games your team was winning and you could've played something else anyways?

A beast relative to most other gods? I disagree. But I might just need to understand him better. I never see anyone else play him though.

building around something like gladiators shield is a good place to start. Using eye of the Storm and your Gugnir ability can be useful if you have decent teamates. Really I've never seen him hard carry a match. He's always either a bruiser or a supportive tank type.

trying to jump into a fight w/ your shield at full health to do the most damage to people then immediately disengage, or if you can kill the enemy then gugnir follow up for you and your temaates.

[John Rivers]

Originally posted by Spriggan:

really what makes him suck is that you can get a relic that counters his ult for your whole team at level 1

Phantom Shell xP

[Burma Jones]

Originally posted by Zunymitshu:

Originally posted by Burma Jones:

How do you build him? And be honest, is he a beast in games your team was winning and you could've played something else anyways?

A beast relative to most other gods? I disagree. But I might just need to understand him better. I never see anyone else play him though.

building around something like gladiators shield is a good place to start. Using eye of the Storm and your Gugnir ability can be useful if you have decent teamates. Really I've never seen him hard carry a match. He's always either a bruiser or a supportive tank type.

trying to jump into a fight w/ your shield at full health to do the most damage to people then immediately disengage, or if you can kill the enemy then gugnir follow up for you and your temaates.

That's what I mean. He doesn't have good damage or good control. Having any impact depends on diving in and blowing all your cooldowns. Your passive and ultimate are both complete non-factors. If you build damage in items you won't be able to tank at all. Even a mix of defense, CDR and damage results in not being good at anything. If you build defense people can literally ignore you without consequence, if you build damage you don't function as a tank. I just don't get what he's supposed to do compared to other solos/tanks/offtanks. He has no real advantage, doesn't excel at anything. Half his kit is deadweight.

Am I missing something?

[IrishUnicorn]

He could use some of the smoothness all of the other gods got.

Like being able to activate shield while in the middle of the jump or knock up, so birdbomb is not so terribly easy to dodge(It is one of the slowest jumps in the game..) and has some fun +1 like other gods.

Also no reason to not get attackspeed bonus on second charge of his 3.. that costs him clear for no reason at all and is another long, chanelled skill in the middle of which He cannot auto attack..

Every good Odin player knows - He needs some auto attack items in his build to be good(shogun, crusher.. something), because of how counter intuitively his shield works - and You are actualy better of not bird-bombing most of the time, especialy, since initiating with escape ability is most of the time a BAD idea.. also needing a damage source after He uses up all of his skills to not be useless..
His main damage source is also his shield, so when You activate it You get poked by a minion - You lose out on bonus dmg from shield being at 100%
He has no sustain..

His ult is also terrible in smite 2.. deals close to no damage, escaping from it is easy as two hecks and a half, whether jumping, shelling, or just breaking the walls.. There is no real attack speed cap, so that neith You are chasing with her 5.0 attackspeed can break the wall in 1 sec. Not that She needs to.
So basicaly the ult 90% of a time in decently high level game is only to get that pitiful amount of power by popping it right before someone is going to die..

Walls are bad in smite 2.. his would have to be reworked into something akin to Aladdin ult to be good.

And don't get me wrong, I love Odin, can also do a lot with him, He is one of the very few characters I always kept playing past 10mastery, because He was fun to me.. but at the same time, literaly every single pick on either jungle, solo or support is better than him.
He is weak compared to others and has no place to belong to.
His kit in smite 2 is just full of contradictions.

His main combo is a jump into enemy, which denies him escape and makes him useless for the time his CD is back up, He needs attackspeed then, to do some fighting - has a steroid for it, that does not work if You decide to do a better thing to do - stun the backline, which is a poor mans version of any other stun in a game. His main source of damage is denied by any mage ability or ADC basic attack..
Name one worse stun than his 3, for which You have to charge, can get stunned out of the charge, has a medium range, terrible damage, basic attack sized projectile that stops on the first god hit.
Ult is not designed for smite 2 game..
That boi needs some love to be played.

[Aodha]

He's pretty good as a jungler and in surprising the enemy during lane rotation. Open with 2 and 1 or after engaging 1 for chasing to secure the kill or get before enemy to bodyblock. Slow or stun with 3. Caging with 4
(the enemy cannot blink infinitely and its cooldown is quite high).
In teamfights, shield with 2 to soak up some damage, even more in combination with the shield rune. I think in teamfights you shouldn't always open with 2 and 1 to hold back the 2 shield for the fight, if the situation makes it necessary.

Of course, it also often depends on your teammates, but that's actually the case in every game, regardless of Odin, because it's a team game after all. But I've definitely
carried a game with him too. The build is always different depending on the game and situation, I often try out new builds (still exploring), but mostly I go for
Attack speed and crit (e.g. Demon Blade) or penetration combined with some armour items. Beserker Shield is good in my opinion as it includes attack speed, or
Curse of the Pharaoh. For mana regen I often use Hydra's Lament, but as I said, I don't have a fixed build.

[Lorska]

Originally posted by Aodha:

He's pretty good as a jungler and in surprising the enemy during lane rotation. Open with 2 and 1 or after engaging 1 for chasing to secure the kill or get before enemy to bodyblock. Slow or stun with 3. Caging with 4
(the enemy cannot blink infinitely and its cooldown is quite high).
In teamfights, shield with 2 to soak up some damage, even more in combination with the shield rune. I think in teamfights you shouldn't always open with 2 and 1 to hold back the 2 shield for the fight, if the situation makes it necessary.

Of course, it also often depends on your teammates, but that's actually the case in every game, regardless of Odin, because it's a team game after all. But I've definitely
carried a game with him too. The build is always different depending on the game and situation, I often try out new builds (still exploring), but mostly I go for
Attack speed and crit (e.g. Demon Blade) or penetration combined with some armour items. Beserker Shield is good in my opinion as it includes attack speed, or
Curse of the Pharaoh. For mana regen I often use Hydra's Lament, but as I said, I don't have a fixed build.

You know the sad thing is you could literally build and play that way on any character and would be just as or more successful. If the enemy ever wards you also can't just surprise them without using your slow (and only) escape/chase.

Odin is just completely screwed by the smite 2 health changes.
He has nerfed smite 1 base numbers where you have everyone running around with +500 health, which makes his "combo" really bad even if you hit it.
Phantom being the best team active already doesn't help his case and just like with cabra, the shortened blink range just screws him over without gaining any benefit from the combat part of it...
His kit plain doesn't work with the changes here and that's gonna be rough to fix...

[⛧ Al1nar]

he is kinda good early game,late game kinda trash

[Lorska]

Originally posted by Grayson.:

Start with dmg early game his shield is very helpfull tanking the early game dmg buy health gen in mid game and late game sell all dmg items and return to tank build.

What horrible advice.
Just throw away 5k gold so everyone has 2 power pots on you by the time you're done.
Also rebuilding into tank late game is completely pointless, everyone is running around with 50% or more pen and percentage damage (in particular Quins) is cracked.

Is this advice meant to create more people you can farm for easy wins or something?

[HighLanderPony]

He's probably outdated. Or you just haven't mastered him yet.

I know nothing.

[Aodha]

i made a mistake here: "For mana regen I often use Hydra's Lament", i meant "Dominance", as the manareg here includes attack speed"

Unfortunately Enemy surrenderd in minute 13, it would have been more meaningful of course to see what the game would have looked like later on:

https://ibb.co/2154fvCq

I even forgot to select the rune, noob failure.

[Lorska]

Originally posted by Aodha:

i made a mistake here: "For mana regen I often use Hydra's Lament", i meant "Dominance", as the manareg here includes attack speed"

Unfortunately Enemy surrenderd in minute 13, it would have been more meaningful of course to see what the game would have looked like later on:

https://ibb.co/2154fvCq

Not to dunk on your achievement but your matchmaking there was in the gutter.
You were playing against a Zeus with a staggering 30% total win rate and an izanami that was playing her second conquest match.
Sorry but you playing Odin or not didn't impact that match at all, it was just a noob farm... You also had by far the most gold and XP but ended up at the bottom of the damage chart so it doesn't look like a lot of ganking going on which he's supposed to be good at?

But yeah you can build your crit attack speed builds, it's gonna work on low MMR. But you could literally do this on any character as well there's nothing special about Odin there...

[Aodha]

Originally posted by Lorska:

Originally posted by Aodha:

i made a mistake here: "For mana regen I often use Hydra's Lament", i meant "Dominance", as the manareg here includes attack speed"

Unfortunately Enemy surrenderd in minute 13, it would have been more meaningful of course to see what the game would have looked like later on:

https://ibb.co/2154fvCq

Not to dunk on your achievement but your matchmaking there was in the gutter.
You were playing against a Zeus with a staggering 30% total win rate and an izanami that was playing her second conquest match.
Sorry but you playing Odin or not didn't impact that match at all, it was just a noob farm... You also had by far the most gold and XP but ended up at the bottom of the damage chart so it doesn't look like a lot of ganking going on which he's supposed to be good at?

But yeah you can build your crit attack speed builds, it's gonna work on low MMR. But you could literally do this on any character as well there's nothing special about Odin there...

yeah we know you are wisdom in a person. But its not about being special, it was about that he is supposed to be terrible and bad in itself or viable. In Vegas Pro games he was often picked, also only 2 weeks ago in the final games. But with bla bla wisdom you are for sure above them.