Chess Survival #10 unbeatable?

[Caelus]

Tried finishing all the chess puzzles, and it seems that after running the Survival puzzle number 10 by the docks through a chess engine and spending a few hours trying to solve it that it is not possible to survive six moves... Am I just dumb? Or is this really unbeatable?

(I realize there may be different puzzles for other people. This one involved three pawns on the second rank with your King starting on the first rank square H1.)

[OG Sw!fty]

i have seen a vid and i tried to follow but my AI moves differently and I have no clue how to survive 6 rounds ... sucks

[Fawkzi]

I have finished all 10 chess puzzles, Basicaly you have two ways to win, either get checkmate or just play out the moves. the AI seems to move difference pieces every time so vids and the like probably won't help.

All you have to remember is to keep your king gaurded at all times, in 10 you start off with a wall of pawns, use this to your advantage to play out a few rounds. Forget about his pawns, the only real threat to you here is his bishop (the peice that can move an unlimited amount of diagonal spaces) so take it out with your queen and then just play out the rest of the rounds forcing him to take your pawns and you're golden. that's how i beat it anyways.

It's a shame there's no achievement for beating all 10 puzzles because some of those were pretty damn hard.

[3Snap]

If you want to cheat!

http://www.gamesradar.com/watch-dogs-chess-puzzle-solutions-guide/

worked for me xD they must have just programmed the ai to move the same way when you move your piece, but if u use that guide it worked for me, in fewest possible moves.

[OG Sw!fty]

There is a wall of pawns indeed but the AI also gets a hand on two queens immediately completely cornering you with them

[235_z_a_s_235]

Yeah it's the survival puzzle #10 @ The Loop east. (by the docks)
I have seen the puzzle solution on PS4, but on my PC version the solution doesn't work because when I try to emulate the solution the AI moves its bishop down and I can't move my king anymore. Every other way I treid the best I can do is survive 5 moves.

I'm not the greatest chess player, but I beat all the other Puzzles and this one I have tried for hours, even consulting friends. No dice.

[Gogglebottle]

they do not move differently, it all depends on what move you make

[235_z_a_s_235]

Originally posted by 3Snap:

If you want to cheat!
http://www.gamesradar.com/watch-dogs-chess-puzzle-solutions-guide/

Wrong location/puzzles.

Originally posted by Fawks:

Forget about his pawns, the only real threat to you here is his bishop (the peice that can move an unlimited amount of diagonal spaces) so take it out with your queen and then just play out the rest of the rounds forcing him to take your pawns and you're golden. that's how i beat it anyways.

Could you make a video of this?
Because the way I see it your first move on that one has to be your pawn from H2 to H3 (or H4 - which I had more success with).
Everything else will result in the AI getting a queen and that means check mate since you are trapped by your pawns. (of course you can take his first queen with your rook, but after that he will take your rook with one of his pawns, getting a queen again and this time it's check mate)

After that there is only one move while you are not in check. Taking his bishop with your queen requires 2 moves.

I have managed to get to a point where I can take the bishop, but by that point the AI also has 2 queens and I can't escape.

Originally posted by Gogglebottle:

they do not move differently, it all depends on what move you make

Yes, the AI always moves the same, depending on your move.
That's not the issue.
The Problem that we are having is that we can't find a solution, so we watched other people do it. And when we move the exact same way as you see in videos etc. the AI does a different move and we can't win.

Look here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnCYyCkTo9s
At about 11:05
After he moves his king to H2, the AI moves the queen.
In my game, after I move the king, the AI moves its bishop to H4, making it impossible for me to move my king, resulting in check mate.

As I said, I have already done all the other ones without too much trouble, but I just can't find a way to survive 6 moves on this one. The best I can do (by choosing a totally different route than in the video obviously) is 5 moves.

And if the OP really has put this scenario through a chess engine and it can't come up with a soultion, than this might be a bug.

But maybe someone has found a solution and could comment here?

[Caelus]

From looking around I've heard the only way to actually achieve six moves is for the AI to make an error or to try and force the AI into an error. I still haven't seen it done however.

[WaveMaster]

So, thanks to that video, I finally 3-starred it, but it feels like magic. I had the same issue you had: moving the pawn to H3 would always result in black moving it's bishop to H4, resulting in checkmate soon after.

I wasted a lot of time trying every possible set of moves I could think of that might follow moving the pawn to H4 instead, but eventually concluded it was unbeatable. However, after reading this thread and watching the video, I tried moving the pawn to H3 again, and this time black did not move his bishop! Like in the video, after white's king moves to H2, black immediately responds with queen to G1, which can be escaped from.

So I can say with absolute certainty that the responses from black are not deterministic. While I did get up from the table and walk around for a few seconds between the session where black moved the bishop, and the session where black did not, it was all done within a single hour of gameplay. It may be that some factor causes the CPU to have less time to think than normal, resulting in the less optimal decision to move the queen rather than the bishop.

[Bad Whippet]

Shamefully, I admit I can't beat any of the 'end game' puzzles at all - even at 'easy'. I knew I was bad at chess, but not THAT bad! :o

[235_z_a_s_235]

Originally posted by WaveMaster:

So, thanks to that video, I finally 3-starred it, but it feels like magic. I had the same issue you had: moving the pawn to H3 would always result in black moving it's bishop to H4, resulting in checkmate soon after.

I wasted a lot of time trying every possible set of moves I could think of that might follow moving the pawn to H4 instead, but eventually concluded it was unbeatable. However, after reading this thread and watching the video, I tried moving the pawn to H3 again, and this time black did not move his bishop! Like in the video, after white's king moves to H2, black immediately responds with queen to G1, which can be escaped from.

So I can say with absolute certainty that the responses from black are not deterministic. While I did get up from the table and walk around for a few seconds between the session where black moved the bishop, and the session where black did not, it was all done within a single hour of gameplay. It may be that some factor causes the CPU to have less time to think than normal, resulting in the less optimal decision to move the queen rather than the bishop.

Ok, so I guess I will have to try the same strategy over and over again until the AI makes an error. I don't have the time to try this at the moment, but when I get to it I will post the reulsts.

[Knottypine]

Not sure if the chess is bugged. I played one game so far. Somehow managed to win, but it's not counting towards the bonus for playing it 10 times.

[dagawdfadda]

@Knottypine For the bonus you have to complete 10 puzzles (minimum 1 star). It can be all 10 at one board or a combination of puzzles form around the city. Its not playing/completing the same one 10 times. I dont know if the full games count.

[Mantard]

Hah, figured it out. Start a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of programs in the background and set display settings etc. to maximum. ie: vsync to 2 frames, gpu rendering at 5 frames, graphics to ultra...and so on.
This game uses a "crappy" chess engine, so if you choke the cpu it gets less time to calculate the most effective route. It fixed it for me after like....5 hours. I noticed this also in a lot of other chess rounds where I needed online help. (I admit that I suck at chess....I guess this also would help you beating some ordinary chess games at "hard").

[SireNightFire]

I guess i would be good at chess then....

I finished all of them at the first try with 3 stars for each...
i'd make a video but it seems people have already made one

TIP: Think ahead of time and quickly plan out what move you should make and what it would lead to