Is Ubisoft on the verge of ruining Watch Dogs?

[J]

thoughts?

[lakupupu]

how?
even if legion performs poorly, watch dogs 1 always exists

[Kalypso]

Destroying the franchise? Yes. Just go back to Aiden, or make another actually serious game. After the original, it went to memes and bs and I hate the series, but 1 is a gem.

[Rex Bellator]

Like Battle Royale Pro said: we'll always have the first one. I haven't played the follow ups but it warms my heart that so many love W_D, a very underrated game that deserved more praise. Ubisoft drops the ball on a lot of things but W_D was not one of them

[tracksone]

You guys are under the impression that it was ever in a good condition? lmao

[Kalypso]

Originally posted by tracksone:

You guys are under the impression that it was ever in a good condition? lmao

wd1 was amazing, idk what you are going on about.

[lakupupu]

Originally posted by Kalypso Vantoase:

Originally posted by tracksone:

You guys are under the impression that it was ever in a good condition? lmao

wd1 was amazing, idk what you are going on about.

i know right? dark and gritty, then 2 comes along and it's all sunshine and happiness
i believe watch dogs 2 isnt an utter failure, but i didn't like it too much either
they were pretty spot on with "you are now less valuable than the data you produce" which is actually pretty accurate irl too

[Kalypso]

Originally posted by battle royale pro lol:

Originally posted by Kalypso Vantoase:

wd1 was amazing, idk what you are going on about.

i know right? dark and gritty, then 2 comes along and it's all sunshine and happiness
i believe watch dogs 2 isnt an utter failure, but i didn't like it too much either
they were pretty spot on with "you are now less valuable than the data you produce" which is actually pretty accurate irl too

2's gameplay wasn't very balanced, little proper stealth like the first had. You had to combine guns with hackables to win most engagements in 1. If you didn't, you were hurting yourself. 2 there were too many 'stealth' missions with ♥♥♥♥ like bots, you didn't get descent silenced weapons until middle to late game, it went to memes instead of the punk Dedsec of WD.

[Gixanix]

Watch Dogs 1 will always be the best, 2 wasn't up to standard not to say it's a bad game but it's pretty meh and Legion is well... yeah let's forget Legion exists.

[tracksone]

Originally posted by Kalypso Vantoase:

Originally posted by tracksone:

You guys are under the impression that it was ever in a good condition? lmao

wd1 was amazing, idk what you are going on about.

While i like hte first one, do you all have short term memories? Do you understand how disastrous that game was for them and the perception it left the franchise with? You loving it is irrelevant to the status of the franchise and the public perception. That may not matter to you, but to the rest of the world, it does


that being said, i do love WD1 but i cant act like everythings all great

[Kalypso]

Originally posted by tracksone:

Originally posted by Kalypso Vantoase:

wd1 was amazing, idk what you are going on about.

While i like hte first one, do you all have short term memories? Do you understand how disastrous that game was for them and the perception it left the franchise with? You loving it is irrelevant to the status of the franchise and the public perception. That may not matter to you, but to the rest of the world, it does


that being said, i do love WD1 but i cant act like everythings all great

'oh no, the game looks slightly different! Cancel the game! It sux!' You mean that BS that died as soon as people actually played and enjoyed the game? I think you need a break for the internet, mate xDD

[BleppyBoo]

Alot of people did and still have issues with the melodramatic tone of the first game, slightly verging on edgy. Then there's Aiden's character that people have also had issues with. Personally I enjoy both 1 and 2, 2 maybe slightly more with the hacking it added, but neither one should be shoving the other out of the way. Just enjoy both for what they are. Dumb games about hacking for different reasons.

[Kalypso]

Originally posted by BleppyBoi:

Alot of people did and still have issues with the melodramatic tone of the first game, slightly verging on edgy. Then there's Aiden's character that people have also had issues with. Personally I enjoy both 1 and 2, 2 maybe slightly more with the hacking it added, but neither one should be shoving the other out of the way. Just enjoy both for what they are. Dumb games about hacking for different reasons.

The lengths of the writers to make the character make sense in terms of psychology and literally uses psychology to win fights before they even start... I've never seen anything like it, and I've read a lot of very good stories. 'Edginess' is just an excuse. Always has been. It went from cringe stuff that was grungy or dark to literally anything being slightly grungy or dark in theme. The story is fantastic, if you take even the slightest time to think. There was a time i wouldn't have liked it. When i didn't play games for the story, and just for gameplay. Now i usually can't play a game without a good story.

[KenTWOu]

Originally posted by Gixanix:

Watch Dogs 1 will always be the best, 2 wasn't up to standard not to say it's a bad game but it's pretty meh and Legion is well... yeah let's forget Legion exists.

Yeah, let's not forget Legion exists, because gameplay wise it's easily the best WD game.

[Kalypso]

Originally posted by KenTWOu:

Originally posted by Gixanix:

Watch Dogs 1 will always be the best, 2 wasn't up to standard not to say it's a bad game but it's pretty meh and Legion is well... yeah let's forget Legion exists.

Yeah, let's not forget Legion exists, because gameplay wise it's easily the best WD game.

ew, hope you aren't contagious.

[KenTWOu]

Originally posted by Kalypso Vantoase:

ew, hope you aren't contagious.

That's really very smart of you... OK, to make it a bit more constructive, here's just a couple of reasons why Legion is better than WD1 and WD2 from gameplay standpoint.

Unlike WD1 and 2 It has crouch button, that means it's already a much better stealth game. But there's more, unlike WD1 when you takedown enemy, you can freely rotate your camera view and plan your next move, especially if there's another guard nearby. It has tons of non-lethal weapons and tools, even cars on streets a self-driving, so you don't have to run over pedestrians while driving from A to B. Which makes it a fantastic game for stealthy non-lethal players.

But the most important things Legion did for a stealth genre are these. if you don't pull out your gun, enemies don't shoot at you. Basically they don't shoot first. It means when you get detected, you can beat a guard in H2H combat and keep playing stealth. It makes stealth way more smooth than before. And because of permadeth your character can die, so stealth is way more intense now, especially on Resistance difficulty they recently added.

Basically. Legion is a much, much, much better stealth game then previous titles. No wonder it was made by Splinter Cell devs, including Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory devs.

But the overall gameplay is better as well, because it's way more varied, more systemic than WD1 and even WD2. It means that you have way more options for how to deal with every gameplay situation and how to achieve your goal. You can play it using a spider drone only, you can bomb enemies from cargo drone, you can hack offensive drones and shoot enemies, you can get in the area using an operative with disguise a la Hitman, you can make guards your allies, etc... Right now there are tons of cool operatives with cool abilities in the game, including Aiden Pearce himself. You can play the whole game as him. WD2 and WD1 can't hold a candle to Legion.

And here's the another thing the game improved and innovate on. It simulates NPCs, so now when you scan someone and see a small snippet of text, there's gameplay behind it, because that NPC has its own schedule, it's own problems. Right now he's there in front of you, but an hour later he'll be somewhere else dealing with some shady blackmailer according to his own internal schedule. And if you make something good or bad to him, he'll remember that. Btw, that's why Londoners feel more alive than people on streets in previous games. So even playing a vigilante is way more interesting than in WD1.

WD1 (especially Bad Blood DLC) has a much better car chases, because you can't shoot while driving, and a much better gunplay, because you have focus mode, 4 weapons slots and all your weapons with you (including sniper rifles). I give you that. But everything else besides story (Bloodline DLC is very well written) Legion does better. So as far as I'm concerned, Ubisoft improved Watch Dogs.