188,000 players JESUS

[Powerful Holy God]

didnt think people wanted a true mmo this bad, geting free epic loot in casual mmos doing boring solo content is not what people want in a MMO it appears

[BKC]

It's too early for this. Please stop.

[Finno-Korean Hyperwar Vet]

Tuesday to Tuesday data paints a bleak picture.

We'll have a better picture for Saturday-Saturday and Sunday-Sunday data where players will actually peak (not by much).

Oct. 1 326,777
Oct. 8 265,174

This is around 19% pop loss in 1 week since the release date peak.
By reference, it took Lost Ark a month to see ~30% player loss from release date peak.

I complain about this game a lot, but it's really coming from a place where I wanted this game to succeed. The damage done by the devs in the release is not reversible, imo. Sad.

[AFC_HIGHBURY]

Probably less if you take into account the bots. But sure

[Tanyon]

honestly for what it is. it's a lot of fun if s person wants to not spend any money and get to lvl 50 and do a few days of grinding.. could be happy for a good 50 hours.. but if you want to max out your gear that will take months of basically logging in everyday and doing the same 3-4 things then logging out. I'm way past lvl 50 but just now got deep into the grind and I'm not sure how much longer I'll hold out.

[m0bi]

Ye, looks like this game will be dead in a month or two

[KillJoy]

Just remember the first D4 expansion was released 2 days ago. People will come back once the D4 season is over.

[Finno-Korean Hyperwar Vet]

Those who went to play Diablo 4 are not gonna return after Diablo 4. There's a gravy train of RPGs and MMOs lined up. POE2 early access is coming up in November. Genshin console release coming up too. That's basically 2-3 months of lost traction. The population loss will be permanent. Dune is also slated for Q1 (probably gonna be delayed to Q2, but we'll see). Promising.

I fail to see how this P2W F2P can hold a player's attention long enough to compete with these other releases lined up.

[AFC_HIGHBURY]

Originally posted by KillJoy:

Just remember the first D4 expansion was released 2 days ago. People will come back once the D4 season is over.

The cope 🤣 more like they'll go play poe2 after then the next release whatever it may be after that. Once people put this down very few will come back unless theyv already opened bank, but nobody wants to play a game with a lack of players as they can't flex their spending so they'll soon leave waiting for the next p2w trash MMO to shout 'BuT iTS nOT P2W HuRr DuRr!'🤷‍♂️

[Elixx]

I think i just logged in for the last time. I cant stand end game and all the time gated crap.

Go to A to collect items to collect B
A. Is time gated.
B. Is time gated.

Dungeons are hit or miss to level up as you are well undergeared for the upgrade loot. Oh, and Dungeons are time gated.

World bosses are DPS gated, no gear? Good lock getting a drop for lack of participation.

If you get lucky with a purple from RNG bags, oh they are far from BIS and a waste to upgrade.

[Shazoo]

Originally posted by KillJoy:

Just remember the first D4 expansion was released 2 days ago. People will come back once the D4 season is over.

the D4 expansion bombed, there's less than 50% positive in the DLC steam reviews. People are already back.

[FireBurst]

Originally posted by Finno-Korean Hyperwar Vet:

Tuesday to Tuesday data paints a bleak picture.

We'll have a better picture for Saturday-Saturday and Sunday-Sunday data where players will actually peak (not by much).

Oct. 1 326,777
Oct. 8 265,174

This is around 19% pop loss in 1 week since the release date peak.
By reference, it took Lost Ark a month to see ~30% player loss from release date peak.

I complain about this game a lot, but it's really coming from a place where I wanted this game to succeed. The damage done by the devs in the release is not reversible, imo. Sad.

Is lost ark solo-friendly? Because you can win lots more players when a game can be very enjoyable alone. TL is not.

[zalan21]

let's look at it another way: lots of players found the pvp in this game really fun and the guild system is not perfect but unique and nothing else is important.

[hitem]

this is p2w - we all want oldschool everquest, runescape, daoc or vanguard to come back! even RIFT before all the microtransaction and loot-rain started. time invested = reward when there is plenty of content and good mechanics is not lost.
But most stuff today is built to be a 3-6 months cashgrab, anything beyond that is not really in scope. The fortine-era has ruined most gamers to think that casual = access to everything. this is indeed not the way.

[Finno-Korean Hyperwar Vet]

Originally posted by BigCheese:

Originally posted by Finno-Korean Hyperwar Vet:

Tuesday to Tuesday data paints a bleak picture.

We'll have a better picture for Saturday-Saturday and Sunday-Sunday data where players will actually peak (not by much).

Oct. 1 326,777
Oct. 8 265,174

That's actually strong retention believe it or not.

At this stage, it's not showing retention. It's showing how many people are riding the hype train and just trying out a little bit. A more accurate predictor is just looking at the first achievements. The Tragedy of the Casill Family, the first chapter after the prologue, is completed only by 60.1% of the players. And this is achievable just by playing 1 hour, maybe 1 hour 30.

Ideally this should be close to 90 to 100%. This should have been completed by everyone that booted the game up for the first time during the first play session. This is a small indication of the game failing to "wow" the players and hook them in.

[OneNineDeepSilence]

Just wait until leveling is done, not many will remain after. I know I won't. To hell with gear grind and all that, it's worse than work. I rather get a bad job, will still be more fun than the end game here (at least the getting purple gear upgraded to max part)

But for now started a new character and leveling it up is fun. So all is good. Even if I know that this will end soon. So what? There is another game soon, why suffer the bad parts, it's not like we are condemned to do the awful parts too.

Always ask this: I'm having fun doing this? Yes, then enjoy it. No? Get the hell out, what are you doing here. And I'm writing this to game devs, not the players. If your game sux, you deserve to be without job. Make games for short term profit, not long term fun, then enjoy not having long term profit.