F2P or P2W

[Tim]

So is it P2W or F2P or both ? Or whattttt ?

[Jordan_Peterson]

p2w

[Draknalor]

Paying to advance a lot faster than you would without paying.

If you consider faster progression and thus getting stronger faster is "Winning" then yes it might be considered P2W.

It all depends on your definition

[thanoskulo]

Both

[Silent]

Until you attempt to farm for reaching Tier 2, you will have Tier 3 in 2 months.

You won't progress if you only have a short time to play, like 3-5 hours.

The game involves a strategy that can test your patience, prompting you to spend real money for better gear to perform adequately, ensuring you aren't kicked from dungeons or defeated in PvP.
It requires a minimum payment of around 200 euros to be competitive until they upgrade the game to Tier 3.

Absolutely, you'll be paying for the progress and it won't feel like you've earned it by grinding. In my opinion, it's a toxic environment, but fans will insist it's an enjoyable game filled with content that comes with numerous restrictions. You can't play dungeons endlessly, yet the mobs have limits on their drops.

This is how I feel; you may love the game and have fun, but I don’t!

[Tim]

Thanks for the answers, guys !

[elendil]

I would say you can play PvE without much grinding, at least on the normal difficulty. PvP you won't stand a chance without 200+ hours grind.

[AzatUlan]

stupid qustion f2p games allways p2w

[Boink]

Originally posted by Silent:

You won't progress if you only have a short time to play, like 3-5 hours.

3-5 hours a day? Or 3-5 hours in 2 months?

The majority of a player's progression is tied to these value.

• 1- star = 3 -5 minutes
  
• 2 x 3 star = assume the worst 10 minutes each 20 minutes
  
• 30-40k abyssal = 1-2 hours (every 3-5 days)
  
• 10x contracts = 10 minutes (less if you chain them)

The most time-consuming stuff:

• Dimensional Challenge a full day.
  
• PvP (Wargames and Nebula) 1 hour a day (5 hours a week).
  
• World Events 1-2 minutes, not including wait time.
  
• World Boss 6-7 minutes, not including wait time.
  
• Obsidian Weapons - 100 hours. (assuming the worst of 1 per hour).

T1 Gear is enough for most content outside Dimensional Challenge and PVP.

[Dan Bongino]

its p2w dont listen to anyone trying to justify it. you can pay to get gear and traits, simple as that.

[rihito𝘚𝘦𝘯𝘱𝘢𝘪]

Originally posted by Dan Bongino:

its p2w dont listen to anyone trying to justify it. you can pay to get gear and traits, simple as that.

People say things like this because they don't really know how to play, the game does allow purchases from the store but they are not significant, when you play enough you understand that the game has an economy where they sell traits, equipment, etc. but YOU CAN'T PAY THE STORE DIRECTLY TO GET AN ITEM, you can only buy it if ANOTHER player sells it, which is when they got it from a dungeon, which you can do too. I've been free2play for over 850 hours and I've only charge to buy skins. I've sold many things in-game and that allows you to buy the "premium" passes. cheers :)

[thanoskulo]

Originally posted by rihito𝘚𝘦𝘯𝘱𝘢𝘪:

Originally posted by Dan Bongino:

its p2w dont listen to anyone trying to justify it. you can pay to get gear and traits, simple as that.

People say things like this because they don't really know how to play, the game does allow purchases from the store but they are not significant, when you play enough you understand that the game has an economy where they sell traits, equipment, etc. but YOU CAN'T PAY THE STORE DIRECTLY TO GET AN ITEM, you can only buy it if ANOTHER player sells it, which is when they got it from a dungeon, which you can do too. I've been free2play for over 850 hours and I've only charge to buy skins. I've sold many things in-game and that allows you to buy the "premium" passes. cheers :)

True but you can put money to make lucent to buy all those gear and traits without working for them
Its p2w but less than other korean mmos if that suits you idk

[FOOD]

Pay money to give yourself any form of in-game

Benefits or Advantages.

That is the literal definition of Pay-to-Win.


https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/pay-to-win
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pay_to_win

/thread.

[Lazarus]

Pay to win %110, you will NOT catch up to people who have been paying.

[RadioDokken]

the biggest problem with the buisness model is, that you cant buy anything that makes the game more rewarding
the game is the grind. But the droprates are so low, that you basically have to buy something. But you can only buy the loot directly, which skips the grind. but whats left to play then?

[Boink]

Originally posted by Ghost:

Pay to win %110, you will NOT catch up to people who have been paying.

Players exaggerated the P2W concept.

For example, I now have 3 characters at level 5.2k CP with a main with an archboss and 100k+ Lucent. So I'm ready for Tier 3 with my alts, if we are going by 1600, 2500, 3500 CP jumps. During my playtime, I secured the rarest title of The First Legion, one of the first Castle Owners. I'm a REAL F2P player.

Now, I'm not saying this is NOT P2W. Players can p2w but players can enjoy their OWN progression as F2P.