MMORPG Devs and PvP

[Adam__86]

I really don't understand why they insist on PvP when almost no MMORPG has good PvP. There's already amazing PvP games out there so why the obsession in trying to get MMORPG gamers to do it when historically the PvPer makes up a fraction of the audience

[Creativity]

this game basically doesnt have any pvp at all, dont worry. and i think i get it. if the devs enable more pvp events ppl will see how pay to win it is quicker than if they keep them all peace

[GrailQuest]

Probably because PvP people will p2w in the cash shop. If they can't, they will cheat. Even if they can they will find some cheat program if they can get away with it.
It's a good burst of early income for a game until the PvP population dies when people can't keep up with the credit card swipers.

[~T~D~]

New zone for the pvper's soon

[Litva]

What PVP lol this game PVP is like a joke

[Maya-Neko]

Most people are very bad in understanding, what they really want. They say, that they want PvP, but don't know in which form.

On top of that, PvP-focused MMORPGs usually fall into insignificance quite fast due to the imbalance of money and or time between players, causing the PvP tp become Pseude-Competitive at best or irrelevant at wurst, basically turning the game into PvE with annoying, unfitting PvP-moments. And since most older PvP-games are basically irrelevant for the vast majority of casuals, it's relatively easy to again mobilize the people, who don't know what they want due to missing competition in the genre

[Finno-Korean Hyperwar Vet]

When you Pay 2 Win, you need something to "win" against. PvP is the purest form of winning and losing. PvE? There's no winning. You're just clearing content that everyone is expected to clear at some point. That's why so many Korean MMOs insist on PvP.

But this is a losing trend and a proven failure. Korean MMO like BDO after Pearl Abyss took over their own game from Kakao clearly is trending toward cosmetics and pay to fast based PvE RPG. And it's a better experience than it was during 2017-2020 period.

First Descendant is another Korean game that is purely PvE that drives revenue from cosmetics and instant unlocks (being a softcore p**n helps)

NC Soft's mindset is stuck in early 2000's when it comes to developing an MMORPG. It's a shame. Literally ONE THING that could have made this game top tier is not allowing real life money Auction House, instead lining up their cash shops with skins, loot bonus scrolls that last 1 hour, Weapon xp bonus, etc.

[bruh]

it's simple, p2w time saving cash shop items are more beneficial and tempting in a pvp mmo where being faster than others can give you a great advantage to others.

while in a pve setting you are not competing against others in terms of progression.

and being pvp focused means less work needed to add content or make the pve good since players ARE the content.

[ExplorerNMS]

The argument that PvP'ers will P2W in the cash shop is not only absurd, it's just more PvP-er-Propaganda to convince Devs and players that a PvP-mmorpg is lucrative.

If the PvP-ers frequent the p2w cash shop what happened to ARCHAGE???
Archage ... a pvp-mmorpg ... added a few p2w elements to their cash shop and what happened??? the PvP-ers cried bloody murder. the PvP-ers howled and moaned and howled and moaned until ARCHAGE shut down.

This thread is chock-full of PvP-er propaganda. Gaslighting at its worst.
They're actually justifying the PvP in TL by saying: "PvP means less work for Devs." Driving away your customer base doesn't mean "Less Work" it means "No Work."

Since the Developers believe all this garbage the PvP-ers are saying, there's no end in sight. No matter how many PvP-focused-Mmorpg's fail, the developers will just keep cranking them out.

*Notice how this thread quickly died the moment someone challenged ... with FACTS ... the PvP-er Narrative.

[Caz]

Originally posted by ExplorerNMS:

The argument that PvP'ers will P2W in the cash shop is not only absurd, it's just more PvP-er-Propaganda to convince Devs and players that a PvP-mmorpg is lucrative.

If the PvP-ers frequent the p2w cash shop what happened to ARCHAGE???
Archage ... a pvp-mmorpg ... added a few p2w elements to their cash shop and what happened??? the PvP-ers cried bloody murder. the PvP-ers howled and moaned and howled and moaned until ARCHAGE shut down.

This thread is chock-full of PvP-er propaganda. Gaslighting at its worst.
They're actually justifying the PvP in TL by saying: "PvP means less work for Devs." Driving away your customer base doesn't mean "Less Work" it means "No Work."

Since the Developers believe all this garbage the PvP-ers are saying, there's no end in sight. No matter how many PvP-focused-Mmorpg's fail, the developers will just keep cranking them out.

*Notice how this thread quickly died the moment someone challenged ... with FACTS ... the PvP-er Narrative.

Propaganda? LOLwut?

Also, it’s not absurd. It’s reality

[ExplorerNMS]

Originally posted by Caz:

Propaganda? LOLwut?

Also, it’s not absurd. It’s reality

Propaganda [www.google.com]
Propaganda >>> noun
1.
information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.

Nothing of what the PvP'ers have said in this thread is true. Yet, they continue to put forward obviously incorrect information in order to persuade other players and especially developers to believe what they are saying is true. That is propaganda.

1) No PvP-focused-MMORPG has ever been successful.
2) PvP-ers are a tiny fraction of mmorpg players.
3) PvP-ers not only DO NOT spend money, they feel entitled to play FREE.
4) Once a game no longer appeals to PVE players that game has lost its financial base.

[ele]

There's a reason Dark Age of Camelot is still the best MMORPG ever made...

[Eido]

Originally posted by Adam__86:

I really don't understand why they insist on PvP when almost no MMORPG has good PvP. There's already amazing PvP games out there so why the obsession in trying to get MMORPG gamers to do it when historically the PvPer makes up a fraction of the audience

And I don't understand people with low IQ like you, if there is a tag in the game that the game has PvP and you don't like it, why do you play it? It's like the game was designed only for 2 players, and you would cry with two friends that there are 3 of you and the game should be for 3 people lol. First of all, secondly, this game has pointless PvP and it has no meaning in this game. Running with a zerg and random players attacking anyone they see has below 30% hp for an easy frag. The system, quality and experience during PvP is at a pathetic level. There is no point in listening to people's complaints about PvP because they are the quickest to abandon the title and go look for another one, they complain the most and play the game the shortest. They reach level 50, go through the scenario, so they consider that they have finished the game and can look for the next one, complaining along the way how bad PvP is....

[Brahson]

PVP is where the whales are

[NREIS-MAN]

Originally posted by Brahson:

PVP is where the whales are

So...I don't want to soar over to the whale then or I will die? Thanks. Good info.

[Adam__86]

Originally posted by Eido:

Originally posted by Adam__86:

I really don't understand why they insist on PvP when almost no MMORPG has good PvP. There's already amazing PvP games out there so why the obsession in trying to get MMORPG gamers to do it when historically the PvPer makes up a fraction of the audience

And I don't understand people with low IQ like you, if there is a tag in the game that the game has PvP and you don't like it, why do you play it? It's like the game was designed only for 2 players, and you would cry with two friends that there are 3 of you and the game should be for 3 people lol. First of all, secondly, this game has pointless PvP and it has no meaning in this game. Running with a zerg and random players attacking anyone they see has below 30% hp for an easy frag. The system, quality and experience during PvP is at a pathetic level. There is no point in listening to people's complaints about PvP because they are the quickest to abandon the title and go look for another one, they complain the most and play the game the shortest. They reach level 50, go through the scenario, so they consider that they have finished the game and can look for the next one, complaining along the way how bad PvP is....

Because its wasteful resources that could have gone to improve the game and it bogs down development with balancing. Its common sense that dumping development time and cost into something that very few are interested in is detrimental to the game