The game is NOT solo friendly. And Guild Leader function as Gods.

[Fast]

If you want to participate in the game properly, you need a guild. Guild leaders have absolute power of the distribution of loot so you need a competent one to access events, 7 raids per week,events and various other things like the donations. The problem is most of these competent guilds will require a level of competitiveness which means you are required to spend a large amount of money on your character to be able to access guilds worth joining.

If you think this isnt true feel free to check the recruitment tab in the discord the vast majority have requirements that you spend money on your character and some even specify the amount of whaling you need to do.

Think.

[Dusty13B]

In a game where its heavily p2w, it makes sense that any guild that wants to be competitive would have requirements of people wanting to join. Why would they want to admit people that dont contribute just so they can reap the rewards off of others participation?

[Fluxcore CarL]

Originally posted by Dusty13B:

In a game where its heavily p2w, it makes sense that any guild that wants to be competitive would have requirements of people wanting to join. Why would they want to admit people that dont contribute just so they can reap the rewards off of others participation?

i have tried paying to win, found nothing useful besides the passes.

[JohnMiller92]

it's like the queen bee. we're just the worthless worker bees making honey for ncsoft lmao

[Fast]

Originally posted by Dusty13B:

In a game where its heavily p2w, it makes sense that any guild that wants to be competitive would have requirements of people wanting to join. Why would they want to admit people that dont contribute just so they can reap the rewards off of others participation?

Well I just had someone in the discord exclaim you dont need guilds and they arent that useful so I thought I would put this here since I played the game extensively in KR version.

Guilds are the arbiters of player progression and if you dont spend, you are unlikely to get in one that will help your progression and you end up getting nothing.
It is important to join a guild that is competent and properly established and those guilds only want spenders. SO the reality is. If you are F2P you are kinda screwed. You either start paying or you lose access to a large portion of important progression content.

[Qliphoth]

I don't understand this game, isn't this a PvP game? and can't F2P kill a fully best in slot P2W build?

What does this so called progression offer?

[JohnMiller92]

Originally posted by Qliphoth:

I don't understand this game, isn't this a PvP game? and can't F2P kill a fully best in slot P2W build?

What does this so called progression offer?

that is true. why i don't really view it was "heavily p2w" as most people claim. a f2p player can still wafflestomp a whale if good enough

reminds me of the game c9 kinda (after they added p2w items in the shop). if you were really skilled at your class and combos, you could really take out anyone. hell, i used to login on my lvl 30 blademaster to out combo some of the lvl 50s in the arena for fun. gosh, i miss that game dearly. webzen really fck'd it up, sadly.

[Fast]

Originally posted by Qliphoth:

I don't understand this game, isn't this a PvP game? and can't F2P kill a fully best in slot P2W build?

What does this so called progression offer?

Its a PVP game. If you do not spend money you will be fighting significantly higher stat and gear upgrade players.

If you are F2P and dont have the raid drop gear distrubted your gear is never going to match that of someone whaling and a competitive guild. You are basically just krill for whales.
Its also not true that "f2p can stomp whales" the games combat is stat weighted massively. This is barely ever the case, an endurance stacked or evasion stacked(a little more nuanced) whale can make it so a f2p far enough behind literally cant hit them

What I dont understand is why this is news to anyone, the game has been out a while, it is well established that F2P is somewhat impossible even in the short term and long term outright impossible due to the locked out progression of guilds and significantly slower character improvement.

[Taemek]

Originally posted by Dusty13B:

In a game where its heavily p2w, it makes sense that any guild that wants to be competitive would have requirements of people wanting to join. Why would they want to admit people that dont contribute just so they can reap the rewards off of others participation?

Do you get tired of spouting this garbage?

There is no p2w element at the current time that would make anyone stronger then you. You can literally gain everything the game has to offer for free.

[Qliphoth]

Originally posted by Fast:

Originally posted by Qliphoth:

can't F2P kill a fully best in slot P2W build?

What I dont understand is why this is news to anyone, the game has been out a while, it is well established that F2P is somewhat impossible even in the short term and long term outright impossible due to the locked out progression of guilds and significantly slower character improvement.

So it's just a lie everyone has been perpetuating?

[Dusty13B]

Originally posted by Taemek:

Originally posted by Dusty13B:

In a game where its heavily p2w, it makes sense that any guild that wants to be competitive would have requirements of people wanting to join. Why would they want to admit people that dont contribute just so they can reap the rewards off of others participation?

Do you get tired of spouting this garbage?

There is no p2w element at the current time that would make anyone stronger then you. You can literally gain everything the game has to offer for free.

Theres literally no response to a comment that retarded.

[Eustache]

One of the WORST game design in a MMO ever.

As the OP said, youll never be more than a working slave for your guild leader.

[Fast]

Originally posted by Qliphoth:

Originally posted by Fast:

What I dont understand is why this is news to anyone, the game has been out a while, it is well established that F2P is somewhat impossible even in the short term and long term outright impossible due to the locked out progression of guilds and significantly slower character improvement.

So it's a lie everyone has been perpetuating?

I am sure there is a video of one person who spend a bunch of money in KR dying to someone who didnt. An aexception.
But in normal circumstances, its not the case. Even mildly skilled whales can delete F2Ps with low effort simply because of stat weighting.

You simply wont compete with spenders if you are F2P and should not expect to. I am sure on occasions you may find there to be exceptions to that. But those are exceptions.,

[Sargathanas]

Yes, it is guild focused and yes there are loot distribution rules and it totally makes sense.

Guild requires you to spend money? Don't join such guild. Easy

[Fast]

Originally posted by Sargathanas:

Yes, it is guild focused and yes there are loot distribution rules and it totally makes sense.

Guild requires you to spend money? Don't join such guild. Easy

Try finding a good one that doesnt require it. It will be harder and harder as time goes on.

There are always exceptions but they are rare and few and far between. As time goes on as F2PS drop out from the game, most of the longer term guilds and competitive guilds will require some sort of spending and many simply specify what you need to spend.

I dont expect this to be different here.,

[Sargathanas]

Originally posted by Fast:

Originally posted by Sargathanas:

Yes, it is guild focused and yes there are loot distribution rules and it totally makes sense.

Guild requires you to spend money? Don't join such guild. Easy

Try finding a good one that doesnt require it. It will be harder and harder as time goes on.

There are always exceptions but they are rare and few and far between. As time goes on as F2PS drop out from the game, most of the longer term guilds and competitive guilds will require some sort of spending and many simply specify what you need to spend.

I dont expect this to be different here.,

Just looked through 8 random guilds for EU - only 1 says be ready to spend money. 4 said - high availability is required (are you going to complain about this one as well?).

You definitely can find casual PvE guild to chill. But if you want to be in some top/competitive guild - be ready to spend some money to boost yourself a bit + put a lot of time into the game. If you don't want to spend money but you're putting much time into the game - you can also join a competitive guild.