Archeage 2 gonna kill every other mmorpg

[GermanBarbarian]

while u guys keep this thread #1

can you also check my ai song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQh89zumpnE

thank you

its the only true game that can save the mmorpg genre because it combines many systems into one fantastic game.

including housing, farming, trade runs, great pve and pvp , boat sail shipping and much more.

a combat skill system with chaining skills this and that is the best.

Throne and Liberty needs +70 GB size of content to be a good game. Currently its only 70gb its not enough content to be a good long lasting mmorpg.

while u guys keep this thread #1

can you also check my ai song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQh89zumpnE

thank you

[Rabbit]

So, like the first one killed all the other MMO's?

[Xaelon]

Your analogy that drive space is in any way related to the quality of a game is one of the worst takes I've ever seen.

Indie games like Terraria or Noita can be played for 100s of hours and require very little drive space. Then there's games that take lots of drive space like Elden Ring or Monster Hunter that can also be played for 100s of hours.

There is no correlation between game quality and drive space used.

The only thing drive space has anything to do with is the game's graphical style. Super realistic 3D graphics take more space than 2D graphics.

I don't know much about Archeage 2, but if it's F2P it won't be saving anything. Not the MMO genre and not likely itself either.

Why? Because F2P games almost always have a garbage business model. In other words timegates, paywalls and sometimes outright P2W. If Archeage 1's reputation is anything to go off Archeage 2 will be just that. But who knows, maybe it won't be. But until a F2P game comes out any information regarding business model is suspect at best.

[saber fan]

good but probably will turn out like archage one P2W and time sink

[DocBockNstein]

GermanBarbarian a écrit :

its the only true game that can save the mmorpg genre because it combines many systems into one fantastic game.

including housing, farming, trade runs, great pve and pvp , boat sail shipping and much more.

a combat skill system with chaining skills this and that is the best.

Throne and Liberty needs +70 GB size of content to be a good game. Currently its only 70gb its not enough content to be a good long lasting mmorpg.

File size means nothing when it comes to content you are legit brain dead if you believe otherwise.

[Maiden Lightlina]

Eido a écrit :

NotxEevee a écrit :

Hello there EA executive, how are you today?
That explains why the most popular MMOs on the market are mostly PvE, and why Palworld, Lethal Company, Elden Ring, Shadow of the Erdtree, Cyberpunk Phantom Liberty, Black Myth Wukong and Baldur's Gate 3 have all failed...
Or why most games produced nowadays are mostly PvE games...
That also explains the massive successes of Albion or Mortal Online...

Oh wait.


Literally the same thing happens with PvP games?
Every new iteration of CoD, Battlefield, Fifa, NBA WWE, Rust and Ark Survival updates... People will move over to the newest content available.
Even now, T&L is a good example since it's pvp focused.
Guess where are all those people leaving going? To other games with the newest updates, or to the most popular of each genre : WoW, FFXIV, TESO, GW2, Rust, Fortnite, Valorant or LoL.

It happens to both PvE and PvP. "PvE iS a DyInG gEnRe" the same can be applied to PvP if you use the metric of player retention as your argument.
It's another dumb statement that means nothing the moment you think about it.

Why are you listing singleplayer games? We're talking about MMO games. First of all, secondly, the top 5 games on the stem are PvP games...

Are they PVP MMO games? because that is where the problem lies.

[shademoooon]

NotxEevee a écrit :

Eido a écrit :

Why are you listing singleplayer games? We're talking about MMO games. First of all, secondly, the top 5 games on the stem are PvP games...

Yes. On Steam.
WoW is on Bnet. FFXIV, TESO and GW2 have independant launchers outside of Steam.
Comparing Steam player counts between games exclusive to Steam and games that aren't is stupid.
Also, the comment I responded to was about PvE games, not purely MMOs.
Also also, 4 of the top 5 games on Steam are purely PvP, not a mix of both PvE and PvP, and the other is riddled with bots farming cryptocurrency.

Because those PvP exclusive games are so big, most PvP games that come out nowadays just die stillborns because their value proposition is lesser than what's already there and no PvP player wants to play a game with a dwindling playerbase, something that happens to a lesser extent in PvE.

See Concord, XDefiant, The Finals, Foamstars, Hyenas. Meanwhile, Palworld, Space Marine 2, WoW The War Within.

You're just another person omitting the context on purpose to make a point.

He lost many post ago lol, he just can't see it even if it makes him look like a clown. Some people are just to wire in to see the daylight through the window.

[shademoooon]

Eido a écrit :

shademoooon a écrit :

Saying you are not writing about PVP is bull pal, that's what you've been writing about lol. Trying to separate PVP from the machanics of PVP is again dumb. Throw in the towel pal and go back to the posts you've made in this thread.

Ain't no shame in eating humble pie pal,the dreamer keeps on dreaming. Again I will go back to the original post between me and you.

The biggest mmo's played today have PVE at there there core, if you want to talk about PVP mechanics then make another thread and I'll join you in that thread. You seem pretty limited in your PVP experiences within mmo's me thinks.

Man, when 2 or more people fight each other it's PvP, like boxers in the ring. And you have rules in this, don't use it, weight, the round lasts so much and that's it, that's the technical aspect. There can be one ring, but many rules and we're not talking about the ring and boxers themselves, but about the rules. If you can't understand such basic things, go back to school...

You lost pal, you just look like fool in this thread but carry on so we can all have a laugh at your posts. I can tell you are inexperienced when it comes to these matters but carry on entertaining us.

[Eido]

NotxEevee a écrit :

Eido a écrit :

Why are you listing singleplayer games? We're talking about MMO games. First of all, secondly, the top 5 games on the stem are PvP games...

Yes. On Steam.
WoW is on Bnet. FFXIV, TESO and GW2 have independant launchers outside of Steam.
Comparing Steam player counts between games exclusive to Steam and games that aren't is stupid.
Also, the comment I responded to was about PvE games, not purely MMOs.
Also also, 4 of the top 5 games on Steam are purely PvP, not a mix of both PvE and PvP, and the other is riddled with bots farming cryptocurrency.

Because those PvP exclusive games are so big, most PvP games that come out nowadays just die stillborns because their value proposition is lesser than what's already there and no PvP player wants to play a game with a dwindling playerbase, something that happens to a lesser extent in PvE.

See Concord, XDefiant, The Finals, Foamstars, Hyenas. Meanwhile, Palworld, Space Marine 2, WoW The War Within.

You're just another person omitting the context on purpose to make a point.

you want to tell me that a million people play wow like in CS or dota 2? at the same time? WoW wouldn't even be in the top 10 stem probably even further. You write some nonsense here mixing MMO games with others probably no one knows what you're trying to say. Because without a doubt PvP games are currently the most played titles

[NotxEevee]

Holyna, The High Seraph a écrit :

Are they PVP MMO games? because that is where the problem lies.

Not even.
The current top 5 on Steam for Most Played :
Counter Strike 2
Dota 2
Banana
Call of Duty
PUBG

None of which are MMOs, all of which are PvP exclusives, and one of those games (Banana) is filled with bots farming cryptocurrency.

T&L in fact is only the 6th on Steam - and we have proof that it is littered with bots too - which imho isn't good for a MMO whose lifespan revolves around high playercount and high player retention.

For Eido :
I wish to remind you that, when Lost Ark came out to the western market, it peaked at 1,325,305 players concurrent and had a player retention of 68.5% after a month of release. That MMO had a large focus on PvE.
https://steamdb.info/app/1599340/charts/#max
T&L, when released to the western marked, peaked at only 336,300, and the current 24h peak is 200,301, meaning the player retention of T&L since its release is right now at 59.5%. This MMO has a large focus on PvP.
https://steamdb.info/app/2429640/charts/#max
Context : Both games come from Korea and are plagued by bots and p2w mechanics.

T&L currently is in the same situation as Lost Ark was back then. In fact, it's in a worse situation since Lost Ark had more engaging gameplay and more activities.

Go ahead and argue with these facts.

[Eido]

shademoooon a écrit :

Eido a écrit :

Man, when 2 or more people fight each other it's PvP, like boxers in the ring. And you have rules in this, don't use it, weight, the round lasts so much and that's it, that's the technical aspect. There can be one ring, but many rules and we're not talking about the ring and boxers themselves, but about the rules. If you can't understand such basic things, go back to school...

You lost pal, you just look like fool in this thread but carry on so we can all have a laugh at your posts. I can tell you are inexperienced when it comes to these matters but carry on entertaining us.

What are you talking to me about? Another haunted guy that no one understands. You've got some ideas, you're jumping around different game genres trying to prove what? Because I don't get it? So far you've proven with your haunted friend that the most popular games on Steam are based on PvP. And I doubt other platforms have such a database of games and players as Steam.

[Eido]

NotxEevee a écrit :

Holyna, The High Seraph a écrit :

Are they PVP MMO games? because that is where the problem lies.

Not even.
The current top 5 on Steam for Most Played :
Counter Strike 2
Dota 2
Banana
Call of Duty
PUBG

None of which are MMOs, all of which are PvP exclusives, and one of those games (Banana) is filled with bots farming cryptocurrency.

T&L in fact is only the 6th on Steam - and we have proof that it is littered with bots too - which imho isn't good for a MMO whose lifespan revolves around high playercounter and high player retention.

For Eido :
I wish to remind you that, when Lost Ark came out for the western market, it peaked at 1,325,305 players concurrent and had a player retention of 68.5% after a month of release.
https://steamdb.info/app/1599340/charts/#max
T&L, when released to the western marked, peaked at only 336,300, and the current 24h peak is 200,301, meaning the player retention of T&L since its release is right now at 59.5%.
https://steamdb.info/app/2429640/charts/#max
T&L currently is in the same situation as Lost Ark was back then.
Argue these facts. Go right ahead.

I still don't know where you're going, what do you want to prove? I played Lost Ark myself, but only in the arena because I didn't like it as a game. You jumped out earlier with some text that didn't refer to anything, especially the discussion that was in this topic. You started putting different things together and in the end, I don't think anyone knows what you wanted to write.

[Maiden Lightlina]

NotxEevee a écrit :

Holyna, The High Seraph a écrit :

Are they PVP MMO games? because that is where the problem lies.

Not even.
The current top 5 on Steam for Most Played :
Counter Strike 2
Dota 2
Banana
Call of Duty
PUBG

None of which are MMOs, all of which are PvP exclusives, and one of those games (Banana) is filled with bots farming cryptocurrency.

Then those do not matter, PVP MMOs are what don't survive and will never be at the top. examples of FPS where PVP is the main draw is not a factor.

Edit: and for anyone on copium who tries the mention the same 2 forgotten MMOS "eve" and "albia online" No body cares about those. When you have a chain of stores and out of the 100 of them, only 2 still have a handful of people going to them, that's still a failure.

[Stockwerk 13]

Holyna, The High Seraph a écrit :

PVP MMOs are what don't survive

Albion and EvE Online?

[Stockwerk 13]

NotxEevee a écrit :

The current top 5 on Steam for Most Played :
Counter Strike 2
Dota 2
Banana
Call of Duty
PUBG

None of which are MMOs, all of which are PvP exclusives, and one of those games (Banana) is filled with bots farming cryptocurrency.

just a bad, really bad argument....
your comparing steam exlusives to standallone games

Most of steam MMOs have a NONE STEAM CLIENT
the MAJORITY of players is on NON STEAM

BDO = standallone client, all players prior 2018 are on non steam
GW2 = standallone client, all players prior 2022 are on non steam
FFXiV = standallone client
EvE online = stand allone client, 90% of players are non steam
SWTOR = standallone client
LOTRO = standallone client
etc. the list goes on

most of those games offer cheaper prices in the non steam version aswell, which is why the majority of players DO NOT PLAY STEAM

plus most of those games do NOT let you link your old account to play it in steam, for example i have like 4000+ hours in BDO but they will never show up in my steam since i cant play my account here

and btw ur ignoring the biggest player in the house: World of Warcraft
which i guess still eats every steam game in terms of player numbers

[NotxEevee]

Stockwerk 13 a écrit :

Snip

This is exactly the same point I made in an earlier comment to respond to Eido, last editted an hour ago, way before your response.
End of page 3 of this thread.

NotxEevee a écrit :

Yes. On Steam.
WoW is on Bnet. FFXIV, TESO, OSRS and GW2 have independant launchers outside of Steam.
Comparing Steam player counts between games exclusive to Steam and games that aren't is stupid.

So, no, I'm not forgetting anything. In fact, i'm not the one who made that comparison in the first place.

Eido a écrit :

Why are you listing singleplayer games? We're talking about MMO games. First of all, secondly, the top 5 games on the stem are PvP games...