p2w?

[Eroedan]

If I want to understand the pay-to-win (P2W) system in this game, which other game is it most similar to?

[Svarog]

You can buy all the equipment at the auction. The auction works only for real money.

[Lightning]

If you want the most P2w game, try Archeage, BDO, WoW

[CrackeR]

Just think of the massive amount of Bots that would infest the game IF auction items were purchased with game money!
In that sense, the real money auction sales are a great idea... imho

[SkFy]

If anyone tells you it isn't ask them to show you their f2p account with queen staff..

[Kyutaru]

Originally posted by Eroedan:

If I want to understand the pay-to-win (P2W) system in this game, which other game is it most similar to?

It's most similar to BDO I guess, minus the insufferable upgrade system. The auction house uses paid currency to trade but you can get it from whales by selling them stuff. Loot doesn't just magically appear out of nowhere like Warframe. Someone has to get that loot as a drop and they have to CHOOSE to sell the loot to other people on the AH. You are free to do whatever you want with your loot so people really shouldn't be upset by this. You didn't get the drop, so you have no right to dictate what other people do with it. Just get the drop yourself.

After a while, prices start to decrease and people who have been selling a lot of loot can then afford to buy back that same loot at a much cheaper rate. So the system rewards patient players and people who are willing to wait for the November dungeons to farm their T1 sets instead of depending on world boss drops.

Early adopters get loot first because they are willing to buy it from other people. You can ignore them and just get loot yourself. The conflict bosses and PVP events will be dominated by these early adopters and they will farm the challenge dungeons faster than other people. But people are too focused on the lottery system when the game has tons of ways to make Lucent that aren't the rarest possible gear. Those are just whale bait.

[Boink]

Originally posted by SkFy:

If anyone tells you it isn't ask them to show you their f2p account with queen staff..

I've seen no guildies get the Queen's weapons. But they more likely will sell it.

The p2w in this game is not as big as BDO's where individuals can take the entire grind spot. Most REAL F2P will likely be 3000 - 3200 CP the first month. This is just doing dailies, weeklies. It does not include guild or world-related boss drops.

The real problem is the Alliance of Whales. It primarily deals with alliances of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd guilds. In my opinion, they should always COMPETE. I

[[Redacted]]

IMHO the real bummer with the auction house is that 20% "tax" that goes to the devs (so it basically disappears).
That's something that shouldn't be present.

[Macharius]

you can make 60% tax with castle ;)

[[Redacted]]

Originally posted by Macharius:

you can make 60% tax with castle ;)

I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about the 20% on top of castle's taxes (castle taxes you know where that lucent goes , that other 20% simply disappears).

[Macharius]

Originally posted by Redacted:

Originally posted by Macharius:

you can make 60% tax with castle ;)

I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about the 20% on top of castle's taxes (castle taxes you know where that lucent goes , that other 20% simply disappears).

I know, if you buy 100€ lucent, you can use 80€ lucent, 20% disappears magically in pockets of editor. And other tax go to castle guild.
It's just a scam.

[★REM★]

To let you understand, it's hard to find something that doesn't lead to open your wallet in this game, so it's faster tell you what is not p2w than list what is p2w.

[NarcZ]

P2W is when you HAVE to buy some Items for Real Money.
For example there is like a Potion wich increases your Damage by 5%.
People can NOT get it ingame, only BUY for real money!

P4P (Pay for Progress) is just a smart system from Developers to catch all impatient and wannabe competitive Players in here and make them pay!

Theres is not a single Pay2Win Item available for Lucent.
People just get tricked over and over by Shark Companys...

Play the Game and stop paying for every imagineable "thing"

[Eroedan]

So it is pay to progress system without ruining the impression of f2p player right?
or there are some content that whales enjoy it while f2p dont like it?

[Stockwerk 13]

Originally posted by Eroedan:

pay to progress system ?

pay2progress = pay2win

"In general a game is considered pay-to-win when a player can gain any advantage over their non-paying peers."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-to-play#Pay-to-win

stop inventing new shiny words for the same ol' shait

[Tomcat]

Dont listen to the kids here crying... its pay to progress faster, Koreans are even complaining that the game its not P2W enough, everyone in Korea have archboss weapons, full trait gear etc. nobody does to dungeons anymore and the Auction House its dead af because everyone its already geared.