So... after reaching 50 - game ends.

[Grimaldus]

All blue gear max ranked , barely 1800 points, trying to join dungeons and
getting constantly denied. All the new gear in dungeons got the wrong stats..
(+attrib and no +stats)

*Game over*

[p00se2]

education ends as well

why know things when you can stay dum

[Kyutaru]

Originally posted by Grimaldus:

All blue gear max ranked , barely 1800 points, trying to join dungeons and
getting constantly denied. All the new gear in dungeons got the wrong stats..
(+attrib and no +stats)

*Game over*

+Attribute is the one you want though. Dungeon loot is OP because of that, some of it has BIS numbers of attribute points. Reason is... you can get crit as a substat on your weapon through traits, but you can't get +damage. That comes from having more attribute points. Every weapon you see with 4 Strength 4 perception or something is 8 attribute points worth of more DPS. Every point you have of any of them will increase your damage. The points will also help you reach certain thresholds that grant you major boosts like +120 Hit Chance or +100 Heavy Attack.

[Grimaldus]

Originally posted by Kyutaru:

+Attribute is the one you want though. Dungeon loot is OP because of that, some of it has BIS numbers of attribute points. Reason is... you can get crit as a substat on your weapon through traits, but you can't get +damage. That comes from having more attribute points. Every weapon you see with 4 Strength 4 perception or something is 8 attribute points worth of more DPS. Every point you have of any of them will increase your damage. The points will also help you reach certain thresholds that grant you major boosts like +120 Hit Chance or +100 Heavy Attack.

The problem is... no one wants an 1800 Power dps in the 50 dungeons.
And the trait-system is just one big creditcard swapper... P2W or grind 12 hours per day.
I don't have 12 hours per day.

[Ⓦⓗⓘⓩⓚⓘⓓ]

nay you are wrong, level 50 is where the actual game starts mate, its call throw your wallet at it... try it it works 101% of the time... but imo I'll just give this game a miss as its a grind hell hole that sucks you in like a 2nd/3rd or evenn 1st job... the never endless grinding its no wonder there are soo many players just macroing bots to farm stuff at least these players can enjoy their real life time doing other stuff with macroing.. fyi game was originally built to macro online and offline LMAO this was changed due to players feedback hahaha!!!

[whoizz]

goes like this..

- you will get 900 points of Dimensional (Co-Op) per day, which accounts for 3 runs;
- when you complete them, you get 1500 Abyss Contract;
- when you kill any mob in a high tier dungeon it will consume 50 tokens per mob, so you can kill 30 creatures alone to roll for loot;
- when you kill any mob in a high tier dungeon WITH a party you are making the whole system even worse for you, as you will hardly see 5 or 6 purple parchment drop from a single mob, as it's still "one loot" pool - now divided by 6, and same as bosses, w/e they classify as contribution (usually damage) will get better loot;

when you are all day playing:

- you can do Amitoi runs, they yield more Abyss Contracts, perfect run in 5 is 150 per hour, so 3600 more Abyss points if you somehow don't need to sleep or take a dump;
- this means you can kill another 72 mobs per day if you are a robot with no need to sleep or eat, while inside a dungeon where Abyss contract applies;

wait, I did this too fast and I still have 22 hours in a day.. no worries. you are allowed 2 characters per region, create 2 characters per region and get to level 50 then you can rinse & repeat the process above, but be aware the game doesn't work with anything over 100 ms latency - its just rubber-band, but you could extract decent purples you get and make Lucent;

- yeah, I forgot.. all of those characters should be able to get Guild Coins in a Guild 10+ so you can actually buy Trait Extraction, Lucent is still account wide.. this will start consuming your day, and you need to juggle the Amotoi too, now in 10 different characters;

what will you achieve with such? - more chances of loot, which can be good or just plain bad and worthless.. if "good" and you have Lucent, now you also need to roll the odds to sell it - and you get Lucent back in your main..

BUT, your main still need three of the same weapon, armour or accessory with the traits you're looking for, and these dungeon weapons don't really sell on Auction House, so you are really limited to three "tries" of drop a day...

BUT, if you do all of the above and get somehow lucky in weapon drops and good traits, you will be able to extract and make good Lucent.. WHICH then, - look at this - allows you to buy world boss items someone is selling, for top Lucent - they have the traits you may want.. and now you have Lucent, because you are 24/7 playing and you are also extremely lucky with the Co-Op drops and 10 or 12 of those may have paid for "one" new Trait unlock;

what else am I missing, I started 4 days ago.. yeah, yeah.. you can also try to farm open world, mobs may drop you contracts.. you re-roll them until you find the purple sack, they should grant you two Abyss dungeon contracts, and a chance for another purple extract..

BUT, what do you do when you have the contracts to complete within an open dungeon but not so many Abyssal coins? - well, you re-roll them until they are all the same... BUT wait, they removed this yesterday.. now you need to find contracts to kill just a certain mob, granted, event better if that mob drops anything good for you, so you can "share" your allowed 72 creature kill while in open dungeon per day with several contracts, which also yield another chance of a purple;

hmm... I think this is all I know, or this is what I'm doing now.. but its hard, I cannot manage two toons, and going into dungeons alone to maximise also consumes time, which I don't have plenty.

OR, you can also swipe and just buy everything straight away from Auction House.. which is the game design.

EDIT:

- while smoking I thought, we are actually progressing Milestones quicker, which makes all gear obsolete as a friend told me in Korea there is tier 2 of sorts.. - oh yeah, then you need to re-do all these items, now in their tier 2 version with the same handicaps.. - OR, you just swipe again.

- it's a Game totally made for people to pay for item in game to be ahead of the majority, above all when World Bosses drops based on damage, and those can be sold to make Lucent.. yet, because it's free, whales are happy to kill regular players, I mean.. that's why they swipe.. and "free games" always bring more people.. in short, this is a Korean scam brought to the West, which BTW, runs worse in every single game play aspect like targeting or using skills then WoW, which was made in the 2000's.

[Skrap ガ]

unrelated but i love how weirdly translated this game is, for example a specialization on a staff ability says something like ''adds casting time, this ability removes casting time and makes it instant use''

[sEver]

Originally posted by Grimaldus:

All blue gear max ranked , barely 1800 points, trying to join dungeons and
getting constantly denied. All the new gear in dungeons got the wrong stats..
(+attrib and no +stats)

*Game over*

How "max ranked" is your gear if you have 1800 points?
Did you forget to trait your items?

[Skillo]

Originally posted by sEver:

Originally posted by Grimaldus:

All blue gear max ranked , barely 1800 points, trying to join dungeons and
getting constantly denied. All the new gear in dungeons got the wrong stats..
(+attrib and no +stats)

*Game over*

How "max ranked" is your gear if you have 1800 points?
Did you forget to trait your items?

yeah, they mean +9 traitless
People have a hard time understanding traits

[sEver]

Originally posted by whoizz:

goes like this..

- you will get 900 points of Dimensional (Co-Op) per day, which accounts for 3 runs;
- when you complete them, you get 1500 Abyss Contract;
- when you kill any mob in a high tier dungeon it will consume 50 tokens per mob, so you can kill 30 creatures alone to roll for loot;
- when you kill any mob in a high tier dungeon WITH a party you are making the whole system even worse for you, as you will hardly see 5 or 6 purple parchment drop from a single mob, as it's still "one loot" pool - now divided by 6, and same as bosses, w/e they classify as contribution (usually damage) will get better loot;

when you are all day playing:

- you can do Amitoi runs, they yield more Abyss Contracts, perfect run in 5 is 150 per hour, so 3600 more Abyss points if you somehow don't need to sleep or take a dump;
- this means you can kill another 72 mobs per day if you are a robot with no need to sleep or eat, while inside a dungeon where Abyss contract applies;

wait, I did this too fast and I still have 22 hours in a day.. no worries. you are allowed 2 characters per region, create 2 characters per region and get to level 50 then you can rinse & repeat the process above, but be aware the game doesn't work with anything over 100 ms latency - its just rubber-band, but you could extract decent purples you get and make Lucent;

- yeah, I forgot.. all of those characters should be able to get Guild Coins in a Guild 10+ so you can actually buy Trait Extraction, Lucent is still account wide.. this will start consuming your day, and you need to juggle the Amotoi too, now in 10 different characters;

what will you achieve with such? - more chances of loot, which can be good or just plain bad and worthless.. if "good" and you have Lucent, now you also need to roll the odds to sell it - and you get Lucent back in your main..

BUT, your main still need three of the same weapon, armour or accessory with the traits you're looking for, and these dungeon weapons don't really sell on Auction House, so you are really limited to three "tries" of drop a day...

BUT, if you do all of the above and get somehow lucky in weapon drops and good traits, you will be able to extract and make good Lucent.. WHICH then, - look at this - allows you to buy world boss items someone is selling, for top Lucent - they have the traits you may want.. and now you have Lucent, because you are 24/7 playing and you are also extremely lucky with the Co-Op drops and 10 or 12 of those may have paid for "one" new Trait unlock;

what else am I missing, I started 4 days ago.. yeah, yeah.. you can also try to farm open world, mobs may drop you contracts.. you re-roll them until you find the purple sack, they should grant you two Abyss dungeon contracts, and a chance for another purple extract..

BUT, what do you do when you have the contracts to complete within an open dungeon but not so many Abyssal coins? - well, you re-roll them until they are all the same... BUT wait, they removed this yesterday.. now you need to find contracts to kill just a certain mob, granted, event better if that mob drops anything good for you, so you can "share" your allowed 72 creature kill while in open dungeon per day with several contracts, which also yield another chance of a purple;

hmm... I think this is all I know, or this is what I'm doing now.. but its hard, I cannot manage two toons, and going into dungeons alone to maximise also consumes time, which I don't have plenty.

OR, you can also swipe and just buy everything straight away from Auction House.. which is the game design.

EDIT:

- while smoking I thought, we are actually progressing Milestones quicker, which makes all gear obsolete as a friend told me in Korea there is tier 2 of sorts.. - oh yeah, then you need to re-do all these items, now in their tier 2 version with the same handicaps.. - OR, you just swipe again.

- it's a Game totally made for people to pay for item in game to be ahead of the majority, above all when World Bosses drops based on damage, and those can be sold to make Lucent.. yet, because it's free, whales are happy to kill regular players, I mean.. that's why they swipe.. and "free games" always bring more people.. in short, this is a Korean scam brought to the West, which BTW, runs worse in every single game play aspect like targeting or using skills then WoW, which was made in the 2000's.

I think you didn't mention, that you can do 10 contracts daily from the contract manager, and that gives you extra abyssal tokens. Also, you can send the Amitoi on 8hrs expeditions, no need to manage them every hour.

I'd absolutely not make a second character, unless I want a somewhat easier way to reroll my spec entirely.

[[LZ]Icy]

I dont get that u see , im at 2400 and im not even done... all free..

[Grimaldus]

Ye i quit the game and uninstalled. I don't want to grind for an item to craft an
item to craft an item.. and i certainly don't want to farm for the same sword 3-4 times
to get "all the best stats" on my sword.
Just give me a finished item when i kill the boss ... /done. Why does it have to be
so damn complicated and ..ohh right - they want you to swipe to skip the aggravation.

Thanks for the comments tho - i'm goin to play something more rewarding /hour.

[whoizz]

Originally posted by sEver:

I think you didn't mention, that you can do 10 contracts daily from the contract manager, and that gives you extra abyssal tokens. Also, you can send the Amitoi on 8hrs expeditions, no need to manage them every hour.

I'd absolutely not make a second character, unless I want a somewhat easier way to reroll my spec entirely.

yeah, but contracts are more of a way to get parchment, I reckon they each provide 100 abyssal, so it will be another 20 creatures in open dungeon.

Amotoi works like this:

- 10 abyssal per Amitoi allocated correctly plus
- 100 abyssal per hour in expediun;

each hour: 150 * 24 = 3600
eight hour: 850 * 4 = 3400

[whoizz]

Originally posted by Grimaldus:

Ye i quit the game and uninstalled. I don't want to grind for an item to craft an
item to craft an item.. and i certainly don't want to farm for the same sword 3-4 times
to get "all the best stats" on my sword.
Just give me a finished item when i kill the boss ... /done. Why does it have to be
so damn complicated and ..ohh right - they want you to swipe to skip the aggravation.

Thanks for the comments tho - i'm goin to play something more rewarding /hour.

all the systems are made to make some silly free to play to believe they can actually really compete with the pay to win people.. imposed limitations exists, otherwise, someone free to play WILL in fact, given "less" time, be at the same level with the pay to win.

you could still do as I do and use the PvE content - never go into dungeons at night, never participate in PvP events, and if someone uses Eclipse you teleport immediately.. in addition, you never do Arena either.

you still can get some loot if you make your own Guild with some friends, leave it open.. eventually it will level up and you can do Raid Bosses, then you give loot to you & your friends - and maybe with a full party you could perhaps go into a dungeon and do PvP when you are fully kitted, or you could do Arena.. still, that would takes months and months.

[KillJoy]

Originally posted by Grimaldus:

Ye i quit the game and uninstalled. I don't want to grind for an item to craft an
item to craft an item.. and i certainly don't want to farm for the same sword 3-4 times
to get "all the best stats" on my sword.
Just give me a finished item when i kill the boss ... /done. Why does it have to be
so damn complicated and ..ohh right - they want you to swipe to skip the aggravation.

Thanks for the comments tho - i'm goin to play something more rewarding /hour.

I am not understanding your argument. If you get a finished item when you kill the boss, are you not done with the game in a few weeks?

Is it not better you keep playing, enjoy the random group content, and upgrade your gear as you play the game?

What would you do once you have all your gear? You would be done...

[whoizz]

Originally posted by KillJoy:

I am not understanding your argument. If you get a finished item when you kill the boss, are you not done with the game in a few weeks?

wait.. pay to win buy all gear in first day, does he quit after? - what are you smoking dude..?

you may have brainpower to argue with a toddler, but you wouldn't be able to argue with an adult.. don't even try.