THRONE AND LIBERTY

THRONE AND LIBERTY

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[S.C.] Worsin Oct 21, 2024 @ 10:10pm
Eclipses need to go
They are abused by the larger guilds and they prevent people from being able to access bosses listed as PEACE.

This is not the way the game was advertised. Period.

You have created a way for large guilds to completely block every player on the server from accessing parts of the content.

This is destroying the experience for normal players and you are catering to elitist guilds with no jobs.

These are the people who aren't even paying you anything. They have no job and they do not need to buy the game. You are catering to free players.

I will not spend another dime on this game until it changes. I will not no life this game just to access all of the content.

I am not the only one who feels this way. I guarantee it.
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Kyutaru Oct 21, 2024 @ 10:14pm 
It's an incentive for being #1. It can also only be used once a day. The cooldown is 12 hours. The game rewards you for your struggles. Become a top player and you get rewards. Become a top guild and you get rewards. Conquer the conflict zone and you get free loot that no other guild can claim. Seize the boonstones and you get benefits to your entire guild.

All of these are incentives to competing. If you choose not to compete, you will be disadvantaged. If you want a game where everyone is equal and the PVP is balanced, play Guild Wars 2. This isn't that type of game. This is a War simulator. When armies clash, there is no balanced, no justice, no fair. There is Chaos.
[S.C.] Worsin Oct 21, 2024 @ 10:30pm 
Originally posted by Kyutaru:
It's an incentive for being #1. It can also only be used once a day. The cooldown is 12 hours. The game rewards you for your struggles. Become a top player and you get rewards. Become a top guild and you get rewards. Conquer the conflict zone and you get free loot that no other guild can claim. Seize the boonstones and you get benefits to your entire guild.

All of these are incentives to competing. If you choose not to compete, you will be disadvantaged. If you want a game where everyone is equal and the PVP is balanced, play Guild Wars 2. This isn't that type of game. This is a War simulator. When armies clash, there is no balanced, no justice, no fair. There is Chaos.

It will make the game fail along with the other poor design decisions. It is one of the reasons it has a mixed review. They have made some really stupid game design choices and this is one of the whoppers.

It has been used on me at least 8 times now trying to get 1 boss kill. It is abused by players and prevents content access server wide. This is too much power for 1 guild, give them a different buff not this. It is going to ruin the game.

If I am ready to quit over this crap, I am not the only one.
[S.C.] Worsin Oct 21, 2024 @ 10:31pm 
The Bosses are listed as PEACE and I have yet to be able to kill it because I am not in an elitist guild. **** THAT ♥♥♥♥.
CollegeKids Oct 21, 2024 @ 10:40pm 
Just wait until arch bosses show up, it’s going to be controlled every week by the top guilds. This type of one-sided content, controlled by the very few will kill this game.
ministrog Oct 21, 2024 @ 10:51pm 
Originally posted by Kyutaru:
It's an incentive for being #1. It can also only be used once a day. The cooldown is 12 hours. The game rewards you for your struggles. Become a top player and you get rewards. Become a top guild and you get rewards. Conquer the conflict zone and you get free loot that no other guild can claim. Seize the boonstones and you get benefits to your entire guild.

All of these are incentives to competing. If you choose not to compete, you will be disadvantaged. If you want a game where everyone is equal and the PVP is balanced, play Guild Wars 2. This isn't that type of game. This is a War simulator. When armies clash, there is no balanced, no justice, no fair. There is Chaos.
that's why game genres like battle royales and extraction shooters have taken off. THERE'S A RESET. from what i can tell, there is no reset to power entrenchment in TaL. why does this matter? you'll see alot of people complaining about 'stale pvp' or 'stale meta'.

once the top guilds have their foothold, they're remain there. i've yet to see anything in TaL that breaks up leading guild and alliances.
[S.C.] Worsin Oct 21, 2024 @ 10:58pm 
I can tell you what is happening on my server.

The top guilds use Eclipse to farm bots in the dungeons and they use this to stay in power.
[S.C.] Worsin Oct 21, 2024 @ 11:00pm 
I am complaining because I want this game to succeed and this is not going to do it.

I have played many games like this that give too much power to certain guilds or individuals and it always ruins the game.

Star Wars Galaxies for example.
Kyutaru Oct 21, 2024 @ 11:01pm 
Originally posted by S.C. Worsin:
It will make the game fail along with the other poor design decisions. It is one of the reasons it has a mixed review. They have made some really stupid game design choices and this is one of the whoppers.

It has been used on me at least 8 times now trying to get 1 boss kill. It is abused by players and prevents content access server wide. This is too much power for 1 guild, give them a different buff not this. It is going to ruin the game.

If I am ready to quit over this crap, I am not the only one.
Don't care. When you do PVE content, do you expect the boss to give you loot? Or at least, someone loot. How would it feel if the world boss just decided today no one was getting a drop? Would suck, yeah?

Well, that's what you want when it comes to PVP. You want there to be no rewards for winning in that content. Does it stop you from getting loot? Yes, that's the point. PVP and conflict zones and night time, you will not get loot unless you fight. So fight.

You don't need the boss there. You can fight him in your guild when they level up. By guild level 17, you have access to every boss and can fight them 7 times a week. Your progress being stalled by conflict is literally the point of PVP in this game. You can do the same to the enemy by stealing their kills during events, robbing them of world boss loot, or fighting them in domination events. You can even engage in backstabbing and betrayal and screw guilds over with spycraft and diplomacy. Or you can get ever other guild on the server that is sick of these guys to unite and take them down.
Kyutaru Oct 21, 2024 @ 11:08pm 
Originally posted by ministrog:
from what i can tell, there is no reset to power entrenchment in TaL.
Activity is the reset here. Your points decrease every week and some only matter for the past 7 days. If you aren't constantly keeping up, you fall in the rankings and someone else gets the power. Growth is the only one that doesn't change and it doesn't get a power.

People are abusing exploits to try to entrench their power, that's the main issue. Activity abused are using a certain coop event to get 250 activity points. Kill abusers are farming bots in conflict spaces like the Ant Cave, which has no sealed door and they just continuously respawn and reenter. But that's another matter.
[S.C.] Worsin Oct 21, 2024 @ 11:25pm 
Originally posted by Kyutaru:
Originally posted by ministrog:
from what i can tell, there is no reset to power entrenchment in TaL.
Activity is the reset here. Your points decrease every week and some only matter for the past 7 days. If you aren't constantly keeping up, you fall in the rankings and someone else gets the power. Growth is the only one that doesn't change and it doesn't get a power.

People are abusing exploits to try to entrench their power, that's the main issue. Activity abused are using a certain coop event to get 250 activity points. Kill abusers are farming bots in conflict spaces like the Ant Cave, which has no sealed door and they just continuously respawn and reenter. But that's another matter.

He talks about what you are saying.

https://youtu.be/Foce7sTbzF8?si=2Q0rlXSS0te8IUYJ&t=97
ministrog Oct 22, 2024 @ 12:09am 
so this and the one Kanon mentioned about server hopping to reset hunt quests. that's kinda messed up.

but back to what was said, lets pretend exploits aren't a thing. you still have dominating players shutting down gear acquisition. obviously this is fixed with more parallel content. that's basically saying T2 should have multiple different weapon and armour that has similar power but you get them through different methods.

bottle necking players into a zone that can turn pvp once a day... you know what also happens once a day? prime time.
Last edited by ministrog; Oct 22, 2024 @ 12:11am
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Date Posted: Oct 21, 2024 @ 10:10pm
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