Why throne of liberty is actually good.

[Flaak]

For years and years weve all been waiting for a decent or great mmorpg. The last century has seen many releases with 95% of them sucking with a few exceptions. Guild wars 2 ff and new world. Throne and liberty is finally a mmorpg that came along and did things RIGHT.

-somewhat challenging dungeons
-open world bosses
-dailies,weekies etc.
-many things to keep you busy; farming, lithograph book, books, exploration, collecting morphs amitoi
-I personally love the amitoi morphs and shapeshift and collecting them which brings me into my next point
-rare drops (pets/morphs/gear/etc.)
-this game does NOT make non replayable content. What I mean is, other than a few story cinematics, all the content in the game offers some playability at end game. They dont make a huge area for you to just never go there again. They use their resources and dont waste time making one off content
-solo challenges like taerels tower

There are many reasons why the game is enjoyable. I will say the pvp is definitely debatable that it is bad.

So if you havnt bought that game yet or are turned off by bots. Just stop worrying, go play pve and enjoy your own progression and stop worrying about everyone else. I have morphs and amitoi most players will never get. And who knows whats its in store? This game pretty much offers everything you can want from an mmorpg and the future can bring new never before seen features. This game already has some of those tbh.

And if you dont like this then you simply grew out of mmorpgs. Because this offers a classic mmorpg experience with updated quality of life and content.

[Ironside]

geez some people be shilling like they have stock in this trap

[Kyutaru]

Originally posted by Flaak:

You know what I really dont understand. Its almost like you are actually so bad at pvp you are mad at the game. That you sit here and complain its p2w instead of just MOVING ON TO ANOTHER GAME. Theres a clear reason you terds lurk around the forums of a game you "dont like". Because you are malding and whining because YOU cant enjoy the game while others can. Hence why my post irritates you so much.

Bro you are absolutely so delusional. You don't know me but you can't handle the fact that someone enjoys Throne and Liberty. I love this game. Where did you get the idea that I hated it or suck at pvp or can't enjoy it? I'm a whale in a #1 guild getting epics every day. In a few days, we're going to get over a million lucent for free distributed between our members just for being the best. Where on this planet did you get that I don't like the game? I'm telling you the reality of the game because you and people like you keep coming here with complaints about it because you fail to understand what the game is about. You fail to understand the importance of the competitive gear grind and the long term status of the game. You're short-sighted and I'm waking you up to hopefully make you realize "This isn't the MMO you think it is." But even if I didn't say a thing, you'll realize it soon on your own. The people playing this game long term will be the competitive ones because the game likes us and treats us with respect. The game punishes PVE grinders with worse everything, lower drops, less lucent, fewer boss attempts, no boonstone buffs, no riftstone fights, no castle siege enjoyment. Some of ya'll already moaning about the drop rate of salt.

In a few months f2p will be at 3500 gearscore while the rest of us are at 4500+. There is no content in the game that even requires a 3500 gearscore, that's what Tier 3 needs in Korea. Other MMOs, PVE MMOs, require you to grind gear score to unlock progressively harder content. That's not this game. You can already smash Tier 2 just with your current gear score, it's not hard, it's just a time consuming daily grind meant to penalize you for not PVPing for easy money and epics. If the game had PVE content for you to enjoy, I'd understand wanting to enjoy it. I've played plenty of PVE MMOs before and loved them. But this isn't that kind of game. You're just desperately trying to play a PVP MMO the wrong way, and that's going to lead to your burnout. Already calling out in advance.

[holdem]

Nope game sucks because pay to win.
PvP is a giant clusterf where the bigger guilds beat up minorities.
A game dev who created a bullie toxic environment.
You only have 8 skills each class and now way you can try out different builds.
Only fun dong the main quest and after that turns into a brain dead korean mobile ptw mmo.

[Ironside]

Originally posted by Kyutaru:

Originally posted by Flaak:

You know what I really dont understand. Its almost like you are actually so bad at pvp you are mad at the game. That you sit here and complain its p2w instead of just MOVING ON TO ANOTHER GAME. Theres a clear reason you terds lurk around the forums of a game you "dont like". Because you are malding and whining because YOU cant enjoy the game while others can. Hence why my post irritates you so much.

Bro you are absolutely so delusional. You don't know me but you can't handle the fact that someone enjoys Throne and Liberty. I love this game. Where did you get the idea that I hated it or suck at pvp or can't enjoy it? I'm a whale in a #1 guild getting epics every day. In a few days, we're going to get over a million lucent for free distributed between our members just for being the best. Where on this planet did you get that I don't like the game? I'm telling you the reality of the game because you and people like you keep coming here with complaints about it because you fail to understand what the game is about. You fail to understand the importance of the competitive gear grind and the long term status of the game. You're short-sighted and I'm waking you up to hopefully make you realize "This isn't the MMO you think it is." But even if I didn't say a thing, you'll realize it soon on your own. The people playing this game long term will be the competitive ones because the game likes us and treats us with respect. The game punishes PVE grinders with worse everything, lower drops, less lucent, fewer boss attempts, no boonstone buffs, no riftstone fights, no castle siege enjoyment. Some of ya'll already moaning about the drop rate of salt.

In a few months f2p will be at 3500 gearscore while the rest of us are at 4500+. There is no content in the game that even requires a 3500 gearscore, that's what Tier 3 needs in Korea. Other MMOs, PVE MMOs, require you to grind gear score to unlock progressively harder content. That's not this game. You can already smash Tier 2 just with your current gear score, it's not hard, it's just a time consuming daily grind meant to penalize you for not PVPing for easy money and epics. If the game had PVE content for you to enjoy, I'd understand wanting to enjoy it. I've played plenty of PVE MMOs before and loved them. But this isn't that kind of game. You're just desperately trying to play a PVP MMO the wrong way, and that's going to lead to your burnout. Already calling out in advance.

not saying your wrong… but i don't think you should work for their marketing department.

[Kyutaru]

Originally posted by Ironside:

not saying your wrong… but i don't think you should work for their marketing department.

Just trying to spare people from making the inevitable "this game sucks" posts in a few months. Please don't enter this game with any delusional concept of what it really is. It's a PVP MMO. It's pay to win. It's competitive. It's grindy as hell and very unfair to passive players. You have a 0.3% chance of getting a drop from the PVE world bosses and a 100% chance of getting one from the PVP ones if your guild wins. People need to understand these things so they don't make posts complaining about the low drop rates or the unfair <insert complaint here> they've been doing. People are even saying the game is going to die because the PVE is bad when it never tried to be a PVE MMO in the first place. Yes, it's worse than World of Warcaft's PVE. We know. That's by design.

[Railguns]

Was hoping this game would be an updated lineage 2. First MMO was lineage 2 and still was best MMO imo though rates were too low on official servers. Played private, best gaming ever with no bots. Pvp that mattered, drops that that gave excitement when you got them, no dungeons. No ridiculous gear or level disparity. Best party system where all roles mattered in their own way. People say eastern mmo's to grindy, wth is not grindy about doing the same dungeon over and over again?

[Necropants]

This is hardly a "classic" mmo experience. As far as they go however, it's pretty decent apart from the terrible verticality and moving cancelling some attacks.

[rgarrett]

Originally posted by Flaak:

Originally posted by SkFy:

Any bets on his level/gs?
100% sure he didn't get to finish his tokens yet and isn't yet living on his daily tokens.

I am 2500 gear score buddy.

Care to have any points why throne isnt good instead of starting an argument?

why do u waste yer time caring about other peoples opinion like im doing now over my cup of coffee

play the game or dont

[Krome Skulz]

Glad you enjoy it. It's all subjective. I don't like it and only stuck around for achievements which is now not even a reason to stay.

I love MMORPG but this combat sucks. If it ain't action combat it ain't good IMO. Tab targeting is an old mechanic and should've been replaced by action combat a long time ago. Tera was king of the action combat. RIP.

Enemies walking an inch outside of your range and you can't finish casting. This is beyond terrible. Makes the combat even worse especially if the enemy is walking. What a joke.

The gearing sucks. This game put to rest any idea I ever had of only wanting one gear set. It feels far more rewarding to find new gear as I level but this game doesn't really have that. Starter greens till max level and than you farm. Not for me at all.

Movement is glitchy and weird at times. Sometimes can't even walk over a simple item that is low to the ground. Other times you'll gltich if in between objects and appear in weird spots and this happens a lot. Morhping isn't really smooth and transition from flying to ground is slow.

To each their own.

[Wipkonijntje]

but action combat ain't for MMorpg.

if u want action combat u need to play a hack & slash.

the only MMorpg that has action combat is blade & soul.

[Jordan_Peterson]

Originally posted by Zombiesbum:

Originally posted by TwoTime:

This escalated quickly.
TL is 1000xbetter than LA.
That is all you need to know.
Everything else is subjective.

It seems to me that you may be insinuating that LA is good and that everyone who plays/played T&L loved LA. Sorry to break this to you, but LA is a trash tier game. Anything could be better than that pile of steaming crap.

That is awesome. My text said the same thing.
Nice.

[shademoooon]

Originally posted by Stockwerk 13:

Originally posted by Flaak:

Guild wars 2 = okay, offers ALOTT OF HOURS because they make A TON of story content and super long dungeons just for a chance at one gear.

Runescape = Chop wood for 10 hours a day for 99 woodcutting

Elder scrolls = Stupid amount of hours just to complete content for nothing. super long gearing progression system same as gw2

Wow = wow was very long to level very boring. Do dungeons and raids till geared, quit till next epansion.

Warframe = repeat same missions for a .0001% chance at something.

According to your Steam, you have played NONE of those games you mentioned.

Also, all your claims are wrong.

Let me lecture you, since i actually did played all of those games in question, extensively:

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GuildWars 2 "super long dungeons for a chance at one gear"
What the actual F are you even talking about?
GuildWars 2 has super SHORT "dungeons" (fractals) and you do not even get gear from them at all.
GW2 has horizontal progression and the endgame gear (legendary) is crafted and not dropped from dungeons.
You craft your gear once and ur set for 20+ years, since new expansions do not add better gear. New expansions add new account features like gliding, different mounts, etc. but NOT BETTER GEAR. This is whats called horizontal progression.

I play the exact same gearset on my main characters in GW2 now for 10 years...

-> you have not played the game once and have zero clue what ur talking about.

Elder Scrolls "super long gearing progression same as gw2"
What the actual F are you even talking about?
ESO gearing is quick in comparison to other MMOs.
I can start from zero, level to max AND get a full endgame set in 3 days in ESO...
It is quite horizontal aswell, yes there are LOTS of DIFFERENT gear sets but they are all EQUALIZED and serve different builds and purposes.

-> you have not played the game once and have zero clue what ur talking about.

WoW "wow was very long to level very boring."
Are you mentally challenged or what?
WoW Retail has one of the quickest levelings in all of MMORPGs.
You can get to max level in a single day.
Some people go from 1-80 in 10 hours:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oVb8qwbI3s
Also you get level boosts thrown at you left right and center, with every expac you buy you get a max level boost.

"Do dungeons and raids till geared, quit till next epansion."
You do realize every WoW expansion adds new raids (usually 3 per expac plus dozens of dungeons) DURING the expansion OVER TIME and not all at once?
WoW is THE BIGGEST MMO on the market and by FAR has the most content in all of MMORPGs.
Noone ever runs out of things to do in WoW.
The absurd amount of content in WoW is definetly NOT the reason why people quit that game.

-> have you even played WoW?

Warframe "repeat same missions for a .0001% chance at something."
WTF?
Warframe has HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of DIFFERENT missions and progression systems.
Warframes and Weapons are crafted, not dropped.
You grind for parts to then craft the full item.
The drops and loot tables are GUARANTEED.

Plus: WTF do you even mean by "0.0001% chance"....?
There is not a single item in the entire game with that drop chance???

-> you have not played Warframe once.

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all in all your entire post just shows your lack of knowledge of said MMOs and games in general.

If you think Throne and Liberty will be arround in 10+ or 20+ years like WoW, ESO, GW2 or warframe your completely dellusional.

Your playing the next trash botted pay2win korea grindcasino that noone will care about in a couple months just like all the others (maybe except BDO).

Just STFU when you have zero clue what ur talking about, thanks.

Just a quick heads up, WOW doesn't have the most content of any mmo, Everquest 2 beats it by a mile and I would say Everquest 1 as well.

Other than that I agree with ya.

[SharkBark]

bots is ruining this game

[Jordan_Peterson]

We dominate our Server! Oh yeah! ;)

[Stockwerk 13]

and he's banned hahaha