Why throne of liberty is actually good.

[Flaak]

For years and years weve all been waiting for a decent or great mmorpg. The last century has seen many releases with 95% of them sucking with a few exceptions. Guild wars 2 ff and new world. Throne and liberty is finally a mmorpg that came along and did things RIGHT.

-somewhat challenging dungeons
-open world bosses
-dailies,weekies etc.
-many things to keep you busy; farming, lithograph book, books, exploration, collecting morphs amitoi
-I personally love the amitoi morphs and shapeshift and collecting them which brings me into my next point
-rare drops (pets/morphs/gear/etc.)
-this game does NOT make non replayable content. What I mean is, other than a few story cinematics, all the content in the game offers some playability at end game. They dont make a huge area for you to just never go there again. They use their resources and dont waste time making one off content
-solo challenges like taerels tower

There are many reasons why the game is enjoyable. I will say the pvp is definitely debatable that it is bad.

So if you havnt bought that game yet or are turned off by bots. Just stop worrying, go play pve and enjoy your own progression and stop worrying about everyone else. I have morphs and amitoi most players will never get. And who knows whats its in store? This game pretty much offers everything you can want from an mmorpg and the future can bring new never before seen features. This game already has some of those tbh.

And if you dont like this then you simply grew out of mmorpgs. Because this offers a classic mmorpg experience with updated quality of life and content.

[SkFy]

Originally posted by Boink:

Originally posted by SkFy:

PvE IS a problem in this game.
If it wasn't, they wouldn't have to restrict us from playing it.
Only having 3x 15min dungeons a day, IS A PROBLEM.

You can always nose bleed events they have a chance to give Trait Unlockstones. I think it is 100% if you are top 10? Not sure I always get them when I'm rank 1 :^D

OR you can make an alt like I do. My alt is 2800 already :^D

While your main is 30 yea k kid

[Flaak]

Originally posted by Stockwerk 13:

Originally posted by Flaak:

Guild wars 2 = okay, offers ALOTT OF HOURS because they make A TON of story content and super long dungeons just for a chance at one gear.

Runescape = Chop wood for 10 hours a day for 99 woodcutting

Elder scrolls = Stupid amount of hours just to complete content for nothing. super long gearing progression system same as gw2

Wow = wow was very long to level very boring. Do dungeons and raids till geared, quit till next epansion.

Warframe = repeat same missions for a .0001% chance at something.

According to your Steam, you have played NONE of those games you mentioned.

Also, all your claims are wrong.

Let me lecture you, since i actually did played all of those games in question, extensively:

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GuildWars 2 "super long dungeons for a chance at one gear"
What the actual F are you even talking about?
GuildWars 2 has super SHORT "dungeons" (fractals) and you do not even get gear from them at all.
GW2 has horizontal progression and the endgame gear (legendary) is crafted and not dropped from dungeons.
You craft your gear once and ur set for 20+ years, since new expansions do not add better gear. New expansions add new account features like gliding, different mounts, etc. but NOT BETTER GEAR. This is whats called horizontal progression.

I play the exact same gearset on my main characters in GW2 now for 10 years...

-> you have not played the game once and have zero clue what ur talking about.

Elder Scrolls "super long gearing progression same as gw2"
What the actual F are you even talking about?
ESO gearing is quick in comparison to other MMOs.
I can start from zero, level to max AND get a full endgame set in 3 days in ESO...
It is quite horizontal aswell, yes there are LOTS of DIFFERENT gear sets but they are all EQUALIZED and serve different builds and purposes.

-> you have not played the game once and have zero clue what ur talking about.

WoW "wow was very long to level very boring."
Are you mentally challenged or what?
WoW Retail has one of the quickest levelings in all of MMORPGs.
You can get to max level in a single day.
Some people go from 1-80 in 10 hours:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oVb8qwbI3s
Also you get level boosts thrown at you left right and center, with every expac you buy you get a max level boost.

"Do dungeons and raids till geared, quit till next epansion."
You do realize every WoW expansion adds new raids (usually 3 per expac plus dozens of dungeons) DURING the expansion OVER TIME and not all at once?
WoW is THE BIGGEST MMO on the market and by FAR has the most content in all of MMORPGs.
Noone ever runs out of things to do in WoW.
The absurd amount of content in WoW is definetly NOT the reason why people quit that game.

-> have you even played WoW?

Warframe "repeat same missions for a .0001% chance at something."
WTF?
Warframe has HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of DIFFERENT missions and progression systems.
Warframes and Weapons are crafted, not dropped.
You grind for parts to then craft the full item.
The drops and loot tables are GUARANTEED.

Plus: WTF do you even mean by "0.0001% chance"....?
There is not a single item in the entire game with that drop chance???

-> you have not played Warframe once.

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all in all your entire post just shows your lack of knowledge of said MMOs and games in general.

If you think Throne and Liberty will be arround in 10+ or 20+ years like WoW, ESO, GW2 or warframe your completely dellusional.

Your playing the next trash botted pay2win korea grindcasino that noone will care about in a couple months just like all the others (maybe except BDO).

Just STFU when you have zero clue what ur talking about, thanks.

Wow nice wall of text. Except its all invalid because youre mentioning steam as the representation of my time played as if all those mmorpg I mentioned are standalones and only on steam way after the fact. All of them I play on their original client.

So right here you already proved to me you are not worth my time.

You are also extremely invalid because you are comparing throne at liberty at release and saying wow never runs out of things to do. Compare RELEASE TO RELEASE AND THIS IS NOT TRUE.

But I still will continue to answer your stupidity. You are right I never played elder scrolls more than a few hours. But honestly you are taking one small detail of what im saying and getting into a giant hissy fit because I was trying to make a point with it. I played most of the other mmorpg. Gw2 you are wrong about. Yes you dont get it as drops but you grind and grind for gear to make. You grind so much in gw2..and no some of those end game content are way longer than throne.

Dont EVER tell me to stfu please. Who are you? Who do you think you are? Man you are the living proof that everyone online thinks they can talk however they want. You sound so stupid talking like this to someone who you dont know what they look like.

Imagine your entire post is edited knowing that I can beat the crap out of you. Like you are talking so toxic and down to me. Grow up.

So ill talk about whatever I wanna talk about. Cause honestly you sound like you took my little post about random mmorpg and got so butthurt you made an entire wall about it when thats the irrelevant to the thread. I was actually in context with someone mid convo.

But truly you are such a crybaby because you love all these mmorpg you mentioned and hate throne. So im popping your little fake delusional bubble you live in where your precious mmorpg are perfect..god forbid I talk about them negatively.

IMAGINE MAKING AN ENTIRE WALL OF POST BECAUSE OF ONE OR TWO SENTENCES SOMEONE SAID IN CONTEXT TO SOMEONE ELSE.

You are actually sick in the head.

[deepgreenbear]

The game is great! I don't know where all the hate comes from... I've not paid a cent so far but I think I will, I like the game enough that I want to support the game dev's! Not sure what I'll buy, probably cosmetics, but when a game is this much fun, it's worth paying a little bit for. Cheers!

[Flaak]

Originally posted by deepgreenbear:

The game is great! I don't know where all the hate comes from... I've not paid a cent so far but I think I will, I like the game enough that I want to support the game dev's! Not sure what I'll buy, probably cosmetics, but when a game is this much fun, it's worth paying a little bit for. Cheers!

Exactly man! Its definitely fun. Itll keep the well above average gamer busy but maybe not someone who plays endlessly everyday The game should keep adding great content and be really fun for a few years to build or person! Enjoy brother

[Zombiesbum]

Originally posted by Flaak:

For years and years weve all been waiting for a decent or great mmorpg. The last century has seen many releases with 95% of them sucking with a few exceptions. Guild wars 2 ff and new world. Throne and liberty is finally a mmorpg that came along and did things RIGHT.

-somewhat challenging dungeons
-open world bosses
-dailies,weekies etc.
-many things to keep you busy; farming, lithograph book, books, exploration, collecting morphs amitoi
-I personally love the amitoi morphs and shapeshift and collecting them which brings me into my next point
-rare drops (pets/morphs/gear/etc.)
-this game does NOT make non replayable content. What I mean is, other than a few story cinematics, all the content in the game offers some playability at end game. They dont make a huge area for you to just never go there again. They use their resources and dont waste time making one off content
-solo challenges like taerels tower

There are many reasons why the game is enjoyable. I will say the pvp is definitely debatable that it is bad.

So if you havnt bought that game yet or are turned off by bots. Just stop worrying, go play pve and enjoy your own progression and stop worrying about everyone else. I have morphs and amitoi most players will never get. And who knows whats its in store? This game pretty much offers everything you can want from an mmorpg and the future can bring new never before seen features. This game already has some of those tbh.

And if you dont like this then you simply grew out of mmorpgs. Because this offers a classic mmorpg experience with updated quality of life and content.

-The PUG dungeons are raid-like content (in that they require team work), which is bad for PUG play. In addition, some mechanics are unintuitive; meaning you've got to go watch a video to understand it, that's just bad design.
-Open world bosses only drop loot for the whale teams.
-Dailies in any game are bad. They aren't something to be praised. If a daily is required to make a player come back to the game, then there's something seriously wrong there.
-Farming isn't rewarded in T&L. If you don't have one of the energy bars you don't get to really play.
-PvP is objectively bad. Aside from the obvious whaling; visual clarity is bad; targeting players is bugged (tab + auto target doesn't work); CC is not only overbearing, but too easy to apply. These things result in less meaningful skill expression.
-Rest of your points are indeed subjective.

[EATGREEPS]

been stuck at ~2800 for awhile but ... yeah f2p

[Boink]

Originally posted by SkFy:

While your main is 30 yea k kid

Nah just waiting for unlock stones you get them every week. My main is 2900. I am sure I can get to 3200 if i use all my hard earned lucent that I made in the game. But I am sure I can just wait after T2 price hike.

[jack.hong1598]

I disagree with the statement that this game is p2w.
Of course I paid around $40 for this game and now GS is over 3k.
As a tank, I am fighting on the front lines of pvp bosses, and I think I am fighting them with enough strength.
I can even fight 5 weaker opponents alone and win, this is not p2w, it's just that many people still don't know how to pvp in this game.
This game is not all about PVE, it has a big advantage that you can enjoy PVP very easily.
Everyone says they die in 3 seconds from a two-handed sword, but that's because they still don't even try to understand the pvp system at all.

[deepgreenbear]

300 hours, man, I jade the good luck of a Holiday for week 1 and I only have just under 200 in game hours... I think i know why you don't like thee game, go outside and touch grass....

[decazxx]

Originally posted by Flaak:

Originally posted by SkFy:

Yes, because you only get 3 dungeon runs a day after you reached your limit.
+ 10 contracts, and about 5k abyss points which is a total of about 1 to 1.5hours worth of farming..

Beside that you have nothing, except unbalanced boring pvp stuff.
World bosses that take 2minutes with a zerg each 3 hours.
And open world "events" which is basically just killing mobs that don't drop anything.

Technically, you could farm contracts on normal mobs.. but you get like 1 of them each hour.
And for finishing it, you get 50 tokens... while depending on the location you're at thats 1 or 2 mobs in open world dungeon..

There's just nothing to do after you done your initial tokens.
Sure the game looks nice, the dungeons are indeed fun and the mechs are also fun.
But if you can only do it 30min a day then what's the point?

And 2500 huh, should have been enough to notice these blatant issues..
Unless you just bought everything with lucent and didn't actually farm.

Okay so what it limits growth in the game so people arent op in 1 week. It allows you to enjoy the game for months. If it takes you 1.5k hours to do everything in one day you are rushing. Did you forget about fishing, mystic keys, exploration, codex, morphs, gatherables, crafting, cooking, pvp/arena, hourly events?

Definitely over 2-3 hours a day. Also if you put 100+ hours since launch yes you will have less to do. Stop looking for a game to keep you busy for 5 hours a day forever, thats impossible and you have unrealistic expectations. Stop living chronically online. If you need more to do after 2 hours a day then you really need to do other things in your day man. I know I will be logging in everyday for months just to get all the drops from dungeons for litho (after I gear myself fully). By then there will be more content.

Games are supposed to be 1-2 hours a day really. So the way things are perfect. Every week you get 6 contracts for EVERY dungeon. that gives you plenty of extra time throughout the week aswell. Not to mention content is still coming out daily from milestones.

Personal issues bro.

Correction it limits growth of non whale players they can hit lvl40 and buy all the gear they need from AH and fully trait them without even leaving a town limiting on how much you can do a week is there not to stop ppls from getting op in week one but to make them spend real money thats all there is to it.

[rage]

Game is limited daily so you P2W in the end. Don't be delusional and just accept the fact. All of you have a splendid day, wherever you are from.

[Shambeh-Bambeh]

It's amusing how people are doing mental gymnastics just to defend this crappy gated system they put in place.

[Stockwerk 13]

Originally posted by Flaak:

Originally posted by Stockwerk 13:

According to your Steam, you have played NONE of those games you mentioned.

Also, all your claims are wrong.

Let me lecture you, since i actually did played all of those games in question, extensively:

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GuildWars 2 "super long dungeons for a chance at one gear"
What the actual F are you even talking about?
GuildWars 2 has super SHORT "dungeons" (fractals) and you do not even get gear from them at all.
GW2 has horizontal progression and the endgame gear (legendary) is crafted and not dropped from dungeons.
You craft your gear once and ur set for 20+ years, since new expansions do not add better gear. New expansions add new account features like gliding, different mounts, etc. but NOT BETTER GEAR. This is whats called horizontal progression.

I play the exact same gearset on my main characters in GW2 now for 10 years...

-> you have not played the game once and have zero clue what ur talking about.

Elder Scrolls "super long gearing progression same as gw2"
What the actual F are you even talking about?
ESO gearing is quick in comparison to other MMOs.
I can start from zero, level to max AND get a full endgame set in 3 days in ESO...
It is quite horizontal aswell, yes there are LOTS of DIFFERENT gear sets but they are all EQUALIZED and serve different builds and purposes.

-> you have not played the game once and have zero clue what ur talking about.

WoW "wow was very long to level very boring."
Are you mentally challenged or what?
WoW Retail has one of the quickest levelings in all of MMORPGs.
You can get to max level in a single day.
Some people go from 1-80 in 10 hours:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oVb8qwbI3s
Also you get level boosts thrown at you left right and center, with every expac you buy you get a max level boost.

"Do dungeons and raids till geared, quit till next epansion."
You do realize every WoW expansion adds new raids (usually 3 per expac plus dozens of dungeons) DURING the expansion OVER TIME and not all at once?
WoW is THE BIGGEST MMO on the market and by FAR has the most content in all of MMORPGs.
Noone ever runs out of things to do in WoW.
The absurd amount of content in WoW is definetly NOT the reason why people quit that game.

-> have you even played WoW?

Warframe "repeat same missions for a .0001% chance at something."
WTF?
Warframe has HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of DIFFERENT missions and progression systems.
Warframes and Weapons are crafted, not dropped.
You grind for parts to then craft the full item.
The drops and loot tables are GUARANTEED.

Plus: WTF do you even mean by "0.0001% chance"....?
There is not a single item in the entire game with that drop chance???

-> you have not played Warframe once.

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all in all your entire post just shows your lack of knowledge of said MMOs and games in general.

If you think Throne and Liberty will be arround in 10+ or 20+ years like WoW, ESO, GW2 or warframe your completely dellusional.

Your playing the next trash botted pay2win korea grindcasino that noone will care about in a couple months just like all the others (maybe except BDO).

Just STFU when you have zero clue what ur talking about, thanks.

Wow nice wall of text. Except its all invalid because youre mentioning steam as the representation of my time played as if all those mmorpg I mentioned are standalones and only on steam way after the fact. All of them I play on their original client.

So right here you already proved to me you are not worth my time.

You are also extremely invalid because you are comparing throne at liberty at release and saying wow never runs out of things to do. Compare RELEASE TO RELEASE AND THIS IS NOT TRUE.

But I still will continue to answer your stupidity. You are right I never played elder scrolls more than a few hours. But honestly you are taking one small detail of what im saying and getting into a giant hissy fit because I was trying to make a point with it. I played most of the other mmorpg. Gw2 you are wrong about. Yes you dont get it as drops but you grind and grind for gear to make. You grind so much in gw2..and no some of those end game content are way longer than throne.

Dont EVER tell me to stfu please. Who are you? Who do you think you are? Man you are the living proof that everyone online thinks they can talk however they want. You sound so stupid talking like this to someone who you dont know what they look like.

Imagine your entire post is edited knowing that I can beat the crap out of you. Like you are talking so toxic and down to me. Grow up.

So ill talk about whatever I wanna talk about. Cause honestly you sound like you took my little post about random mmorpg and got so butthurt you made an entire wall about it when thats the irrelevant to the thread. I was actually in context with someone mid convo.

But truly you are such a crybaby because you love all these mmorpg you mentioned and hate throne. So im popping your little fake delusional bubble you live in where your precious mmorpg are perfect..god forbid I talk about them negatively.

IMAGINE MAKING AN ENTIRE WALL OF POST BECAUSE OF ONE OR TWO SENTENCES SOMEONE SAID IN CONTEXT TO SOMEONE ELSE.

You are actually sick in the head.

crys about wall of text
opens the thread with a wall of text
answers every reply with a wall of text
lmfao.

where are your actual arguments btw?

show me the "0.0001% dropchance" in Warframe please?
spoiler: it does not exist

show me the "super long dungeons" in gw2 please?
spoiler: "dungeons" are actually called fractals and take 5-15 minutes to complete
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWHW0DQWb18

show me the "super long boring leveling in WoW" please?
spoiler: i can level from 0 to 80 in 10 hours
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oVb8qwbI3s

show me the "super long gear grind in ESO" please?
spoiler: once 160CP, i can get a max gear set in a single day, gearing is horizontal in ESO, just like GW2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ4wC9UxTEg

It is not only that your Steam shows you never played those games, it is also that everything you say about those games is WRONG.

anyone who actually played those games will instantly see you dont know wtf your talking about, at all.

So again: STFU about games you have ZERO clue about, thanks.

[Wipkonijntje]

the 2 hours of PVE is a problem.

this is still a MMO and its expected from a MMO to be deddicated to it and be able to spend time grinding. thats the whole point of the genre.

the way it is now the game simulates a mobile / daily energy game.
that system ain't bad on its own but it will drive true MMO players away fast and this is a problem since a good MMO needs a high population to excel.

[Midnight]

Well, the issue with this game for me is that all of the good systems and ideas are in turn undermined by some other arbitrary system.

Dungeons are undermined by the daily caps and some of them by the PvP cycle for example.

I'm not saying allow people to just grind purples from dungeons all day but it needs to reward something. Even just to give people some incentive to que for fun and to help others.

The game is too stingy to even allow you to farm green gear without some sort of limiting factor. Whatever fun activity there is you will find a cap on it.

People also call this a PvP game yet the arena is not normalized and you can't really progress your character through it. Meaning you are forced into many hours of PvE grind to get to PvP. That is simply a bad system.

Social systems which are seemingly designed to produce antisocial behavior in the playerbase. One step forward and two steps back on everything.