Why Free-to-Play Players Struggle in Throne and Liberty(250+ hours)

[jijigakuri]

After completing daily co-op dungeons in just 30 minutes, I feel that no other event offers worthwhile rewards. Even after the reward update patch, it’s still not enough. I've attended nearly all the world boss events, but I’ve only received a purple item once. The Sauroma night event is dominated by whale zerg players, making it nearly impossible to farm any chests there. At some point, you hit a wall, and it feels like you need to invest at least $100 just to meet the bar for a good build.

Some players have gotten lucky, earning good gear and selling it for a significant amount of lucent, but it's as rare as winning the lottery. Every PvP event is controlled by one large guild, leaving no content for smaller guilds. I check the player count every day, and it’s easy to see why people are leaving. Pay-to-win players progress rapidly, while free-to-play players struggle to catch up, unable to grind due to restrictions.

For free-to-play players, Throne and Liberty becomes boring over time because the game doesn’t reward them in any meaningful way. The imbalance between pay-to-win and free-to-play players makes progression frustrating, limiting the overall enjoyment and engagement for non-paying players.

[Skillo]

F2p struggles? sounds like a skill issue
mfs dropping items worth a battlepass every other day lmao

also "oh no i can't win the chests that go for one person only (so zerg is a waste of time) so the game is unplayable"

[Chaosward™]

Originally posted by Skillo:

F2p struggles? sounds like a skill issue

How does RNG drop rate reflect any skill at all?

[Skillo]

Originally posted by Chaosward™:

Originally posted by Skillo:

F2p struggles? sounds like a skill issue

How does RNG drop rate reflect any skill at all?

Theres a lot guaranteed rewards in the game. Weekly contracts and abyss coins being one of them. Pity crafting being another.

You can easily afford skins and bp by just using these two systems by picking valuable gear from them. Or just buy good traits with it. Point is, lucent making is extremely easy right now. yes it will get harder as prices deflate and the initial launch hype dies, but anyone having issues right now clearly isn't playing properly

[jijigakuri]

Originally posted by Skillo:

F2p struggles? sounds like a skill issue
mfs dropping items worth a battlepass every other day lmao

also "oh no i can't win the chests that go for one person only (so zerg is a waste of time) so the game is unplayable"

If you don't see the difference between F2P and P2W, you're just delusional. While P2W players are already above 3200 gear score — and not just a regular 3200, but with the most optimal build for their weapon combination and maxed traits — F2P players are still trying to get their fourth or fifth item from the optimal build. They also need to get the best traits for these items. And I'm not even talking about F2P players who got lucky and hit the jackpot.

You need at least 15,000 Lucent to get a decent build, and if you want a top-tier build, you'll need at least 30,000 Lucent. Most F2P players will never be able to accumulate that much. Every week, new items are added, so P2W players keep upgrading to better builds while F2P players are held back by countless game restrictions that make it hard to farm what they need.

So if, by "skill difference," you mean being rich in real life is a skill, then I agree with you, kid.

[AFC_HIGHBURY]

Originally posted by Skillo:

Originally posted by Chaosward™:

How does RNG drop rate reflect any skill at all?

Theres a lot guaranteed rewards in the game. Weekly contracts and abyss coins being one of them. Pity crafting being another.

You can easily afford skins and bp by just using these two systems by picking valuable gear from them. Or just buy good traits with it. Point is, lucent making is extremely easy right now. yes it will get harder as prices deflate and the initial launch hype dies, but anyone having issues right now clearly isn't playing properly

Yep because skins and BP makes the game rewarding and creates a equal footing to whales...you can't be serious

[p00se2]

any f2p can sell items on the auction house and become a p2w´inner

otherwise
there is no use for selling items in the auction house
which is a dum decision if you play f2p and decide not to sell items so whales can make you a whale too


sell everything
and buy what you need

[Skillo]

Originally posted by jijigakuri:

Originally posted by Skillo:

F2p struggles? sounds like a skill issue
mfs dropping items worth a battlepass every other day lmao

also "oh no i can't win the chests that go for one person only (so zerg is a waste of time) so the game is unplayable"

If you don't see the difference between F2P and P2W, you're just delusional. While P2W players are already above 3200 gear score — and not just a regular 3200, but with the most optimal build for their weapon combination and maxed traits — F2P players are still trying to get their fourth or fifth item from the optimal build. They also need to get the best traits for these items. And I'm not even talking about F2P players who got lucky and hit the jackpot.

You need at least 15,000 Lucent to get a decent build, and if you want a top-tier build, you'll need at least 30,000 Lucent. Most F2P players will never be able to accumulate that much. Every week, new items are added, so P2W players keep upgrading to better builds while F2P players are held back by countless game restrictions that make it hard to farm what they need.

So if, by "skill difference," you mean being rich in real life is a skill, then I agree with you, kid.

So your point is that f2p can't afford to get max traited on week 3? The same gear that will last all the way to tier 2 release, months away? Think about what you are saying for minute. You want to spend zero cash and afford to skip the progression entirely for free

[SkFy]

Originally posted by jijigakuri:

Originally posted by Skillo:

F2p struggles? sounds like a skill issue
mfs dropping items worth a battlepass every other day lmao

also "oh no i can't win the chests that go for one person only (so zerg is a waste of time) so the game is unplayable"

If you don't see the difference between F2P and P2W, you're just delusional. While P2W players are already above 3200 gear score — and not just a regular 3200, but with the most optimal build for their weapon combination and maxed traits — F2P players are still trying to get their fourth or fifth item from the optimal build. They also need to get the best traits for these items. And I'm not even talking about F2P players who got lucky and hit the jackpot.

You need at least 15,000 Lucent to get a decent build, and if you want a top-tier build, you'll need at least 30,000 Lucent. Most F2P players will never be able to accumulate that much. Every week, new items are added, so P2W players keep upgrading to better builds while F2P players are held back by countless game restrictions that make it hard to farm what they need.

So if, by "skill difference," you mean being rich in real life is a skill, then I agree with you, kid.

He's never gonna admit the game is p2w, no point trying to convince him.
He thinks calling everyone noob gonna save this trash game

[Skillo]

Originally posted by SkFy:

Originally posted by jijigakuri:

If you don't see the difference between F2P and P2W, you're just delusional. While P2W players are already above 3200 gear score — and not just a regular 3200, but with the most optimal build for their weapon combination and maxed traits — F2P players are still trying to get their fourth or fifth item from the optimal build. They also need to get the best traits for these items. And I'm not even talking about F2P players who got lucky and hit the jackpot.

You need at least 15,000 Lucent to get a decent build, and if you want a top-tier build, you'll need at least 30,000 Lucent. Most F2P players will never be able to accumulate that much. Every week, new items are added, so P2W players keep upgrading to better builds while F2P players are held back by countless game restrictions that make it hard to farm what they need.

So if, by "skill difference," you mean being rich in real life is a skill, then I agree with you, kid.

He's never gonna admit the game is p2w, no point trying to convince him.
He thinks calling everyone noob gonna save this trash game

Now you are twisting words. The post was about f2p struggling. You can absolutely dump a couple hundred bucks and skip the progression entirely, no one can deny that. Does that mean that f2p struggles? No? You have months to get fully traited purple and lucent is affordable. The other point in the post is the fact that less than 10 people get to do a couple more runs if they pick the chest sauro chest, or kill 18 more mobs, which is hilarious.

If you want to argue at least stay on topic

[SkFy]

Originally posted by p00se2:

any f2p can sell items on the auction house and become a p2w´inner

otherwise
there is no use for selling items in the auction house
which is a dum decision if you play f2p and decide not to sell items so whales can make you a whale too


sell everything
and buy what you need

Right cause as f2p player with the limits in place you totally gonna get enough drops to get the same gear as the whales.

Originally posted by Skillo:

Originally posted by jijigakuri:

If you don't see the difference between F2P and P2W, you're just delusional. While P2W players are already above 3200 gear score — and not just a regular 3200, but with the most optimal build for their weapon combination and maxed traits — F2P players are still trying to get their fourth or fifth item from the optimal build. They also need to get the best traits for these items. And I'm not even talking about F2P players who got lucky and hit the jackpot.

You need at least 15,000 Lucent to get a decent build, and if you want a top-tier build, you'll need at least 30,000 Lucent. Most F2P players will never be able to accumulate that much. Every week, new items are added, so P2W players keep upgrading to better builds while F2P players are held back by countless game restrictions that make it hard to farm what they need.

So if, by "skill difference," you mean being rich in real life is a skill, then I agree with you, kid.

So your point is that f2p can't afford to get max traited on week 3? The same gear that will last all the way to tier 2, for months? Think about what you are saying for minute. You want to spend zero cash and afford to skip the progression entirely for free

Ah yeah, so we whale food for 5 out of the 6 months then 1 month if we worked hard we can be somewhat equal.. and then new gear will come where they just empty their wallets again.. k gl hf with that trash design

[SkFy]

Originally posted by Skillo:

Originally posted by SkFy:

He's never gonna admit the game is p2w, no point trying to convince him.
He thinks calling everyone noob gonna save this trash game

Now you are twisting words. The post was about f2p struggling. You can absolutely dump a couple hundred bucks and skip the progression entirely, no one can deny that. Does that mean that f2p struggles? No? You have months to get fully traited purple and lucent is affordable.

If you want to argue at least stay on topic

Yes f2p does struggle.
99% of them do at least, unless you had prior knowledge and knew what to farm early on, and got enough of a headstart on others to actually farm it before the prices dropped.
Now these same items that were worth hundreds or 1000 lucent are worth jack s....

And try doing pvp against the whales as f2p and youll see struggle

[Skillo]

Originally posted by SkFy:

Originally posted by p00se2:

any f2p can sell items on the auction house and become a p2w´inner

otherwise
there is no use for selling items in the auction house
which is a dum decision if you play f2p and decide not to sell items so whales can make you a whale too


sell everything
and buy what you need

Right cause as f2p player with the limits in place you totally gonna get enough drops to get the same gear as the whales.
It's only possible

Originally posted by Skillo:

So your point is that f2p can't afford to get max traited on week 3? The same gear that will last all the way to tier 2, for months? Think about what you are saying for minute. You want to spend zero cash and afford to skip the progression entirely for free

Ah yeah, so we whale food for 5 out of the 6 months then 1 month if we worked hard we can be somewhat equal.. and then new gear will come where they just empty their wallets again.. k gl hf with that trash design

Thats literally the design that everyone expected it to be. it is like that with lost ark, it is like that with Throne. Whales spend money to max out faster and the rest has to follow a linear path towards the same goal. Seems like you were poorly informed before starting playing, or are you saying that the entire game should become something entirely new cause you are unhappy?

[Skillo]

Originally posted by SkFy:

Originally posted by Skillo:

Now you are twisting words. The post was about f2p struggling. You can absolutely dump a couple hundred bucks and skip the progression entirely, no one can deny that. Does that mean that f2p struggles? No? You have months to get fully traited purple and lucent is affordable.

If you want to argue at least stay on topic

Yes f2p does struggle.
99% of them do at least, unless you had prior knowledge and knew what to farm early on, and got enough of a headstart on others to actually farm it before the prices dropped.
Now these same items that were worth hundreds or 1000 lucent are worth jack s....

And try doing pvp against the whales as f2p and youll see struggle

You are implying that things are not valuable to sell anymore. Thats factually incorrect. You can literally pricecheck gear from selectors and see which ones are worth good lucent, the process takes less than 5 minutes.

And then once again asking to be on the same tier of spenders which skipped months of progression for absolutely no reason

[SkFy]

Originally posted by Skillo:

Originally posted by SkFy:

Right cause as f2p player with the limits in place you totally gonna get enough drops to get the same gear as the whales.
It's only possible



Ah yeah, so we whale food for 5 out of the 6 months then 1 month if we worked hard we can be somewhat equal.. and then new gear will come where they just empty their wallets again.. k gl hf with that trash design

Thats literally the design that everyone expected it to be. it is like that with lost ark, it is like that with Throne. Whales spend money to max out faster and the rest has to follow a linear path towards the same goal. Seems like you were poorly informed before starting playing, or are you implying that the entire game should become something entirely new cause you are unhappy?

Or i expected it to be like any other mmorpg ncsoft made where there is enough to actually do and you're not limited to 3 dungeons a day and 50 mobs in open world dungeons?
Normally i can make up for the diff with hard work, that's impossible if the game doesn't let you farm.

And dont' even feel like responding to people like you tbh ;)
People like you are what's destroying online gaming..
There's no reason for any of these things to exist, except to F over the people playing this game.. if they don't want people to play, they shouldn't be surprised if they leave.

And then act like an elitist a-hole calling everyone who didn't get to play other regions noob or bad, or saying it's a "skill issue"
Most of the people you're s... talking are probably a million times more skilled than the clowns defending p2w.

How about you teach people instead of being an a-hole if you know it all so well?
But nah, all you people can do is call people who didn't have a 6 year degree in throne and liberty gameplay tactics names :D

[SkFy]

Originally posted by Skillo:

Originally posted by SkFy:

Yes f2p does struggle.
99% of them do at least, unless you had prior knowledge and knew what to farm early on, and got enough of a headstart on others to actually farm it before the prices dropped.
Now these same items that were worth hundreds or 1000 lucent are worth jack s....

And try doing pvp against the whales as f2p and youll see struggle

You are implying that things are not valuable to sell anymore. Thats factually incorrect. You can literally pricecheck gear from selectors and see which ones are worth good lucent, the process takes less than 5 minutes.

And then once again asking to be on the same tier of spenders which skipped months of progression for absolutely no reason :Fardy:

Dude name them, go ahead.
Tell me a farmable item that didnt drop in price by 50% or more.. waiting.
Bet you're just happy with getting 100 lucent a day, while needing thousands...
Sure if you call 10/50 lucent items "worth lucent" then sure..
But the majority of items, even with useful traits arent' worth anything anymore.

There only few, which are rare to drop, which are.. and most of those drop in limited content like dungeons or open world dungeons.

And yes, i know about the petty system crafts but that won't get you far either...
Also big chance you gonna get a useless trait and won't have a tradable item to sell after crafting.