The Community will "kill" this Game.....

[Latarius]

Since around 10 years you can watch a steady increase in toxicity in mmos ... everytime a mmo is alll about competition the playerbase acts like they are the only player and everyone else is a NPC ...

Throne and Liberty made it to the actual peak of this behaving ... and the sad is the developer and Publisher KNOW THIS and created this by intention.

The caps/lockouts of daylie Content leads to such a selfish almost narcistic playstyle that you cant bare this for a long time as a "human" player that likes groupcontent and doing stuff together...

It starts within the coop Dungeons, that everyone is running "fast trains" just to whipe the party cause they literaly see you as npc that had to follow, there is no teamplay or aggromanagment, and everyone elses fault If you whipe, just not yourself.

It Continious with getting trained if you are in your AoE build to grief you away from "there" spots as a sort of "pvp without pvp" ... or just the "stealing" of your mobs if you gather a few to AoE.

If you are killing Mini Bosses you get trained by a bunch of extra mobs just so that you need to kill the adds so the other one does more dmg to the boss and get the loot ...

Same "tactic" within the Abyssal Dungeons were people do the same and in addition perma kicking the mob away from you, so as a melee you cant hit the mob, especialy IF you just did a charge attack, so they get the updates and the boss loot ...

Worldbosses are a mess as well, besides the lags or Crashes the "Whales or 24/7" Player with most dmg will get the few drops to get even better as the majority of people get nothing except the pitty chest ...

All of this and even more just to FORCE you to grab some cash and put it into this game to be somehow be able to keep up with this nonesense ...

This creates a circle of frustration so that you either do the same ♥♥♥♥ to everyone else, or to quite the game like ALOT of player already did in the last few days ... its a shame and I already know, that some of you will try to make a Joke of this or call me stupid things cause you know Im right and you are these kinds of player I just decribed ...

[Firecam]

They could have made a good enough product, you reap what you sow.
Karma .

[Wild#Cat!♥]

I am the main character. You are an NPC. That's it, plain and simple.

[Latarius]

Originally posted by Wild#Cat!♥:

I am the main character. You are an NPC. That's it, plain and simple.

Good luck soloing a Worldboss dude.

[DAWN OF THE DEAD]

another solo player complain about mmo

[Zombiesbum]

This is all by design. The community is only a reflection of the product.

Play stardew vally co-op and you'll find a very different attitude of players. Where as if you play any Moba that locks you into a match for 30 minutes, you'll have a lot of frustrated players when others either make mistakes, don't play the way others want, or sometimes straight up troll.

T&L's systems are designed for the community to hate each other. That way there is less energy spent on criticising the game's flaws and predatory practices.

[Mein]

I lost brain cells reading all that

[Aldain]

The only thing that can compete with Devs in the competition of killing MMOs are MMO players after all.

Especially in ones that encourage the whole "Be a part of the Borg (massive guilds) or be negligible garbage" approach via GvG/ZvZ design.

But it shouldn't come as a shock with how increasingly narcissistic people have been getting over the years (I blame social media...especially *%&$ like TikTok).

[Ironside]

One major problem is people now find actual value and validation in playing a video game, rather than it being simple entertainment for fun. People take it way, way too seriously. If people put the kind of effort in RL equal to what they put in video games... man.... they'd finally move out of their parents house.

[Chaosward™]

Throne and Liberty focuses more on rewarding players who engage in PvP and Guild activities going to a world boss during Conflict means you have to compete against other guilds, do them during Peace and party up so you stand a better chance of getting a drop - the drops are rare and random as far as I know.

When you matchmake in co-op dungeons try to keep a positive attitude ask if people know the mechanics, if there is someone being aggressive in luring mobs that isn't the tank let them die it will teach them not to do this. You can't lead that which does not want to be lead.

Remember to always keep a positive mindeset, if you allow the actions of others to affect you negatively you become the problem, report players who troll without engaging with them.

[NREIS-MAN]

It's the total lack of challenge. When things are soo easy, people tend to get bored.
When there is no barrier to entry, people start to see what buttons and levers they can push.

Make a game cost $10 to play per month and have bannable play behavior offenses, and people play on the straight and narrow, knowing they can lose it all if they misbehave.

Make a game cost $0 and you can screw around all you want, get banned, make 4 more fake steam accounts, who cares. Nothing holds you back from botting, breaking TOS, training people with impunity. Ninja loot that nodrop item from the raid chest just to piss people off, then delete that account just to spite them, no one can stop you and it's free!

[Chaos_Model]

Originally posted by THECAPTAINGHOST:

another solo player complain about mmo

Can pretty much guarantee this clown is one of those folks who steals kills...

[p00se2]

being logical

its the community that makes it alive
so
of course it will be the community killing it


shocker ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Latarius]

Originally posted by NREIS-MAN:

It's the total lack of challenge. When things are soo easy, people tend to get bored.
When there is no barrier to entry, people start to see what buttons and levers they can push.

Make a game cost $10 to play per month and have bannable play behavior offenses, and people play on the straight and narrow, knowing they can lose it all if they misbehave.

Make a game cost $0 and you can screw around all you want, get banned, make 4 more fake steam accounts, who cares. Nothing holds you back from botting, breaking TOS, training people with impunity. Ninja loot that nodrop item from the raid chest just to piss people off, then delete that account just to spite them, no one can stop you and it's free!

This is the Problem and its created by intention .... and thats why we dont have a second "Wow/Everquest/FinalFantasy" anymore ... every new mmo for 10 - 15 years is created for the own doom but as a major cash grab for the publisher.

[Latarius]

Originally posted by Chaosward™:

Throne and Liberty focuses more on rewarding players who engage in PvP and Guild activities going to a world boss during Conflict means you have to compete against other guilds, do them during Peace and party up so you stand a better chance of getting a drop - the drops are rare and random as far as I know.

When you matchmake in co-op dungeons try to keep a positive attitude ask if people know the mechanics, if there is someone being aggressive in luring mobs that isn't the tank let them die it will teach them not to do this. You can't lead that which does not want to be lead.

Remember to always keep a positive mindeset, if you allow the actions of others to affect you negatively you become the problem, report players who troll without engaging with them.

I didnt even mention PvP, this was just about the PvE part. The thing is you are right but thats lead to just one Option in the end, leave and uninstall ...

Most players know therse issues but they dont complain or do anything against this they just give up and move to the next mmo just to get served the same BS ... cause we let "them win" all the time ... "Everything that the Evil needs to win, is that the Good looks away"
Thats exactly why we have the same Struggle everywere in RL and in any Virtuell world ... "as long as it doesnt hit me, I dont care" ...

Any of these behavings were reasons to bann them 10 - 20 years ago ... today you can be an absolut a-hole and nothing happens, and you cant even do something against for yourself ....