Are multiplayer games dead?

[Cheri]

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[Kegbelly]

not just mmorpg , single player stuff forums end up full off hate . its something i have puzzled over too no idea why

[Firecam]

The bad ones die faster.

[Firecam]

Originally posted by Cheri:

Originally posted by Firecam:

The bad ones die faster.

Then which games are good and not dead in your opinion?

Oof, mmos or just multiplayer games ? Because P2W products in general always dies. Some survive well enough like warframe or path of exile. Nowadays players remain solo in multiplayer unless it's forced like T&L.

[Kegbelly]

Originally posted by Firecam:

Originally posted by Cheri:

Then which games are good and not dead in your opinion?

Oof, mmos or just multiplayer games ? Because P2W products in general always dies. Some survive well enough like warframe or path of exile. Nowadays players remain solo in multiplayer unless it's forced like T&L.

even 20 years ago when games where subbed there where pay to win whales we bought gear from dodgy websites . so thats not the entire answere , people just seem angry nowadays lol

[Firecam]

Originally posted by Kegbelly:

Originally posted by Firecam:

Oof, mmos or just multiplayer games ? Because P2W products in general always dies. Some survive well enough like warframe or path of exile. Nowadays players remain solo in multiplayer unless it's forced like T&L.

even 20 years ago when games where subbed there where pay to win whales we bought gear from dodgy websites . so thats not the entire answere , people just seem angry nowadays lol

That's not an answer yet, i'm waiting for his answer first ^^

[Eido]

Originally posted by Cheri:

I've put down a lot of time and effort in "all" new multiplayer games the last year but I feel like they die out so fast, and there is no real interest or opportunities to get really good at a game with strangers anymore. I am lvl 50, cp2.5k, manage all the content fine, but it still feels so hollow. I am struggling to find players who would want to do a prog group - is it the server I am on that is the issue, or is this the general feeling of others in my position as well? Same with Once Human, but it's the same there. Dead. Same with ESO. Does anyone have any good recommendations for games like these which isn't dead at endgame? Or am I looking at the wrong places? TL discord seems dead too. I'm losing my mind lol

PvE/solo players are to blame for everything, they force such a gameplay system on producers. The only problem is that such players shout the most and then play the title the least. That's why every new MMO game has a high start and a quick fall, solo/pve players quickly get bored and go looking for a new" MMO game" for solo players and so the cycle repeats

[Kegbelly]

Originally posted by Firecam:

Originally posted by Kegbelly:

even 20 years ago when games where subbed there where pay to win whales we bought gear from dodgy websites . so thats not the entire answere , people just seem angry nowadays lol

That's not an answer yet, i'm waiting for his answer first ^^

well i admit i dont know =)

[Blobster]

Originally posted by Kegbelly:

Originally posted by Firecam:

Oof, mmos or just multiplayer games ? Because P2W products in general always dies. Some survive well enough like warframe or path of exile. Nowadays players remain solo in multiplayer unless it's forced like T&L.

even 20 years ago when games where subbed there where pay to win whales we bought gear from dodgy websites . so thats not the entire answere , people just seem angry nowadays lol

Usually p2w is not a big issue if the game still takes skill to play, with T&L the skill ceiling is much lower and the gear is all you need to win ( unless you play the game for the first time, but even then with full t1 and traits, you can win vs anyone non full t1 and traits :))

Also to get the t1 gear you need to perform well during the bosses... Good luck with that unless you have a top gear group, they will almost always get the drop, so if you dont pay you are at a huge disadvantage even in pve...

It will become even more noticeable when archboss gear and then T2 comes...

[Setian]

Nah just this one
Anyway, MMO's used to be social with more often than not bad gamplay due to limitations of that time

Nowdays MMO's aren't social and most of them this one included still uses the bad gameplay

MMO's aren't social anymore because anyone want to avoid the toxicity

Nothing beats BDO for now, shame its forced PvP

[Kegbelly]

Originally posted by Blobster:

Originally posted by Kegbelly:

even 20 years ago when games where subbed there where pay to win whales we bought gear from dodgy websites . so thats not the entire answere , people just seem angry nowadays lol

Usually p2w is not a big issue if the game still takes skill to play, with T&L the skill ceiling is much lower and the gear is all you need to win ( unless you play the game for the first time, but even then with full t1 and traits, you can win vs anyone non full t1 and traits :))

Also to get the t1 gear you need to perform well during the bosses... Good luck with that unless you have a top gear group, they will almost always get the drop, so if you dont pay you are at a huge disadvantage even in pve...

It will become even more noticeable when archboss gear and then T2 comes...

i dont agree with highest dps gets the best stuff either especially if dmg absorbed and healing done is not getting counted

[XiWus]

Originally posted by Setian:

Nothing beats BDO for now, shame its forced PvP

Guild Wars 2 is very social, in fact you can join others for PvP and PvE, without the need to form a group or guild, you help each other during battles, even to indicate the right path in a dungeon (they did it with me and I did it with others), above all there is no vote kick, I have not played it anymore (account completely deleted) exclusively because I suffered severe bullying from the official forum moderators.

[Setian]

Originally posted by XiWus:

Originally posted by Setian:

Nothing beats BDO for now, shame its forced PvP

Guild Wars 2 is very social, in fact you can join others for PvP and PvE, without the need to form a group or guild, you help each other during battles, even to indicate the right path in a dungeon (they did it with me and I did it with others), above all there is no vote kick, I have not played it anymore (account completely deleted) exclusively because I suffered severe bullying from the official forum moderators.

GW2 was alright, didn't really catch me though

[Firecam]

Originally posted by XiWus:

Originally posted by Setian:

Nothing beats BDO for now, shame its forced PvP

Guild Wars 2 is very social, in fact you can join others for PvP and PvE, without the need to form a group or guild, you help each other during battles, even to indicate the right path in a dungeon (they did it with me and I did it with others), above all there is no vote kick, I have not played it anymore (account completely deleted) exclusively because I suffered severe bullying from the official forum moderators.

Except for raids, if you need to do it you must pay to get carried or copy past your achievement. I never did any raids because of that, a shame i would have loved trying these at least once.

[XiWus]

Originally posted by Firecam:

Originally posted by XiWus:

Guild Wars 2 is very social, in fact you can join others for PvP and PvE, without the need to form a group or guild, you help each other during battles, even to indicate the right path in a dungeon (they did it with me and I did it with others), above all there is no vote kick, I have not played it anymore (account completely deleted) exclusively because I suffered severe bullying from the official forum moderators.

Except for raids, if you need to do it you must pay to get carried or copy past your achievement. I never did any raids because of that, a shame i would have loved trying these at least once.

It's a fact that I never considered because I wasn't in a guild and therefore it didn't interest me. How much did it cost?

[✪ RetokSh0wS TV]

when the game is p2w, obviusly is go to death. People if say this game is not p2w just go play coockergames.

p2w = more gear = t1 or t2 = RangedEva/MeleeEva/MagicEva = More damage = more absortion = win.

Bots= Lower price in AH, fp2 players no win lucents, p2w players buy low cost items = p2w players win.