EU Market is dead already

[Boogei]

you can't play this game as F2P player without trading in market, but 90% from players base has full trait you can now sell 1 or 2 traits with 10 lucent in a day, and this is a joke this system will kill the game no new players coming because of that, we need another lucent resource, market is dead already.

[󠀡󠀡]

everyone moved to purple, don't expect to make money out of blue items, but i can see how you can get ♥♥♥♥♥♥ with this system if you dont get good purple drops to sell, maybe there is an algorithm that makes sure everyone gets some purple drops? who knows

[That Guy]

I sell a blue trait here and there - I have a grand total of maybe 33 Lucent(?). The real issue here is that there are very VERY few people who will pay literally THOUSANDS of dollars (Real currency), so the market is over saturated with all the things people want/need Gear wise - but because person A sees that Item 1 sold for 1,000/5,000/10,000 lucent.. they've likely spent at least $20-$30 maybe even that big $100 starter bundle. Hell I will, "Barbie" is the real end game... anyway, they're trying to recoup their losses and get ahead.. So here's what happens -

I collect X number of "pity tokens" to craft Item 1 - I get "Okay" stats on it - I Equip. Now I got farm more pity tokens for Item 1 to trait it... aww damn... crappy trait for me (I don't PvP by choice, so those stats are useless to me and only mildly helpful in PvE so not a priority) - Extract, Auction House - wait..... This would sell!(Yay!! Cosmetics here I come!) Oh... this only sells for 10... if it sells at all... Damn... Lots of em on here.. Hmm... folks probably already have em that want em... Well crap... this is gonna take a while. So I post em anyway cause I've already snatched the trait off the armor (I know.. check first... I'm learnin okay! :D ).. when I notice my sales happening more frequently I'll know a new group of players is stating up for PvP, until then. I just Dissolve my gear for mats and don't worry about the "Shiny stuff"

The inherent problem is ALL items in the Auction House are gear related and real-world money related. The game needs an in-game currency Auction House to make this seemingly Endless supply of gold have some actual value and items like Amitoi's, Cosmetics, etc. be placed there.
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[StarlightAsh♡]

Sounds like people who don't know how traits work

[Matty101]

Couple of things needed to fix this.
1, buff those lesser wanted traits so they become favourable instead of HP and heavy hit chance topping the wanted list.

2, game needs an item burn, like burn 5 of a type to get a rerolled item of that type(chance at a different trait)

If done wrong 2 can make the game worse, but its a step that can be monitored and controlled serverside to even out the economy.

[Skillo]

Welcome to the beginning for the real long term economy. Now the pre launch KR tutorials mentioning some comically low income like 200 lucent/day with alts will start to make sense

[Darth_Angeal]

The better question is... who cares?

We still talk about a real-money currency. This means whales simply stopped paying, because they hit the gearwall, which means everyone else can close the gap now and that with way less lucent using on your own if needed.

But also... it´s not needed. You can just play the game, get your traits here and there and all is fine. Not any content besides arena wants you to be full geared.

Lucent is better spent on battlepasses or skins aswell. And maybe... maybe paying 10bucks by yourself for them to keep the game alive is not worlds ending. At any time it´ll be a better investment than paying for gear you´ll change here and there within new patches anyway.

[Kyutaru]

Doesn't sound like the market's dead, it sounds like it's oversaturated. When people didn't understand that Blue traits were the bread and butter of the upgrade system, no one was selling them and only buying epics. Now everyone understands that blues are the best bang for your buck when upgrading so everyone is spamming them round the clock, which means someone else's blue is selling over yours because they listed theirs after you.

Europeans are also more comfortable playing free games, not games that require spending. Your markets might not have as much activity as the NA ones are having. But if every item is 10 lucent, it also means it's dirt cheap to upgrade if you put a little cash into the game.

[LGBTQ+ Enjoyer]

That's the true. If you are not day one player you have to spend real money. Day one players earned thousands of lucents by selling overpriced items. They have built full traited eq. New players can't just play more to catch them due to daily limits. Only way is to spend real money. What they did in three weeks, new player will do in few months now. And by this time you are useless in endgame PVP.

[Boink]

Originally posted by 大口吃香迷糊了:

That's the true. If you are not day one player you have to spend real money. Day one players earned thousands of lucents by selling overpriced items. They have built full traited eq. New players can't just play more to catch them due to daily limits. Only way is to spend real money. What they did in three weeks, new player will do in few months now. And by this time you are useless in endgame PVP.

Ok... they can't get lucky with drops from Abyssals and Dimension dungeons? They also can't get lucky with Dimensional Essence, which can sell MIN 300 lucent. Dimension's most geared players choose random matchmaking, allowing new players to randomly match with them.

So if gearing blues is 10 lucent per trait... 300 lucent will get you there so fast.

Also, the World Bosses outside conflict are easily tapped with additional chance for boss loot. New players will get there significantly faster than a real F2P player on day 1.

I agree with you about endgame pvp.

[Darth_Angeal]

Originally posted by 大口吃香迷糊了:

That's the true. If you are not day one player you have to spend real money. Day one players earned thousands of lucents by selling overpriced items. They have built full traited eq. New players can't just play more to catch them due to daily limits. Only way is to spend real money. What they did in three weeks, new player will do in few months now. And by this time you are useless in endgame PVP.

You´re not useless, poeple should stop to exeggerate.

Also as been written above by Kyutaru, you can spend 10 bucks now and get a bunch of stuff on your own.

It´s either

- everything is expensive and you can earn money with the right items, but shouldn´t pay on your own...

or

- everything is cheap af and everyone can gear up with a minimum of money if they really want that.


Everything has its pros and cons, but ofc you sold stuff the first week can easily buy the stuff now pretty much for free.
Yet we still talk about "F2P". Dunno why poeple should get everything for free that easily. It would be the games end asap if we end in a Lucent-loop "because F2P can´t play properly otherwise". (Which is not true anyway.)

[LGBTQ+ Enjoyer]

Originally posted by Boink:

Originally posted by 大口吃香迷糊了:

That's the true. If you are not day one player you have to spend real money. Day one players earned thousands of lucents by selling overpriced items. They have built full traited eq. New players can't just play more to catch them due to daily limits. Only way is to spend real money. What they did in three weeks, new player will do in few months now. And by this time you are useless in endgame PVP.

Ok... they can't get lucky with drops from Abyssals and Dimension dungeons? They also can't get lucky with Dimensional Essence, which can sell MIN 300 lucent. Dimension's most geared players choose random matchmaking, allowing new players to randomly match with them.

So if gearing blues is 10 lucent per trait... 300 lucent will get you there so fast.

Also, the World Bosses outside conflict are easily tapped with additional chance for boss loot. New players will get there significantly faster than a real F2P player on day 1.

I agree with you about endgame pvp.

Ok so now tell me whats ur luck. How many item's from open world bosses have you got? I made like 60 rallies and 0 items. I started two weeks ago and earned around 2k lucents so its not even enought to build BLUE FULL TRAITED EQ. Go play roulette! You can get lucky win!

[LGBTQ+ Enjoyer]

Originally posted by Darth_Angeal:

Everything has its pros and cons, but ofc you sold stuff the first week can easily buy the stuff now pretty much for free.
Yet we still talk about "F2P". Dunno why poeple should get everything for free that easily. It would be the games end asap if we end in a Lucent-loop "because F2P can´t play properly otherwise". (Which is not true anyway.)

That's the point. First day players got everything that easily, and now it's just impossible. I can't even play more to catch them. It's an disadvantage that can't be equaled, unless you pay. I get it. That's how it works. But no need to distort reality. New players just have to agree with that.

[Skillo]

Originally posted by 大口吃香迷糊了:

Originally posted by Darth_Angeal:

Everything has its pros and cons, but ofc you sold stuff the first week can easily buy the stuff now pretty much for free.
Yet we still talk about "F2P". Dunno why poeple should get everything for free that easily. It would be the games end asap if we end in a Lucent-loop "because F2P can´t play properly otherwise". (Which is not true anyway.)

That's the point. First day players got everything that easily, and now it's just impossible. I can't even play more to catch them. It's an disadvantage that can't be equaled, unless you pay. I get it. That's how it works. But no need to distort reality. New players just have to agree with that.

I mean, thats just how any economy works... In the very beginning theres zero supply and massive demand, swipers need their gear and you have little to no competition for every drop. Hell, even green capes were sold for a battlepass worth of lucent. This is the reason that a lot of people pay for the 5 days headstart, cause the first days of an MMO or any game with an economy are special.

So i'd say that the answer, as horrible as that sounds, is "start earlier" if you want to print currency or accept the current reality

[Boink]

Originally posted by 大口吃香迷糊了:

Ok so now tell me whats ur luck. How many item's from open world bosses have you got? I made like 60 rallies and 0 items. I started two weeks ago and earned around 2k lucents so its not even enought to build BLUE FULL TRAITED EQ. Go play roulette! You can get lucky win!

I say... very good. I have at least 15 World Boss drops now, and two are priced for 10k+ .

I am free to play. My CP is 3400 and a 3354.

New players are not gated to World Boss content, dimension, and Abyssal

I was full blues 2-3 weeks ago. Use the ones that drops in Abyssals? This was me 2-3 weeks ago full Abyssals outside weapons which are cheap now.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3348973110

[Skillo]

Originally posted by Boink:

Originally posted by 大口吃香迷糊了:

Ok so now tell me whats ur luck. How many item's from open world bosses have you got? I made like 60 rallies and 0 items. I started two weeks ago and earned around 2k lucents so its not even enought to build BLUE FULL TRAITED EQ. Go play roulette! You can get lucky win!

I say... very good. I have at least 15 World Boss drops now, and two are priced for 10k+ .

I am free to play. My CP is 3400 and a 3354.

New players are not gated to World Boss content, dimension, and Abyssal

I was full blues 2-3 weeks ago. Use the ones that drops in Abyssals? This was me 2-3 weeks ago full Abyssals outside weapons which are cheap now.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3348973110

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