Well... POE2 comes out, T2 Dungeons too hard, Time gated mechanic to narrow, game will lose a lot of players

[EsZeus]

As the title says, and after talking with some guild mates and others:
We all think the game will lose a massive amount of its playerbase with the release of POE2.
I will still play it, but currently (and my own fault for having 2 chars) I can´t even bring myself to do most daily stuff anymore.
350 hours playtime, and thats it.

Now the new "content" came out, and I played all of them. I understood and saw all the mechanics. And still after 2 hours playstime in nearly each of the t2 dungeons, it´s insane.
Only Valley of Slaughter Boss is easy, but only if your team understands their roles and can even play basic mechanics without dying (Block, lol).

Terror Island for example is so narrow when it comes to running to geysirs or doing other mechanics, its a nightmare.

Overall I think with the release of the T2 dungeons the frustration is at an all time high.
With promising games on the horizon especially, a ton of players will leave.
And if you have lost players, its rare they will come back.
Me just imaging coming back later on to play the game again with its awful control and targeting? I will not be happy to spend time and effort to learn the game anew after some longer break time.
Then these difficulty levels, the boring daily grind, and the lack of real progress other than being in a major guild or paying right into it? Ooof...



Whats your opinion on that matter?
If you are happy with it, please explain it so everybody understands it.

If you are also of the same negative opinion right now, please leave feedback too.


Maybe Amazon game studio can learn more from it. I mean, they try it as far as I see it.
But korean studios are just not made for the western community. See skins, just one example...



Cheers :)

[KillJoy]

My opinion is that neither T1 or T2 dungeons are worth your time, due to poor chances at loot.
The tokens are nice, but you need to run a lot of the same dungeons to get the amount required to fabricate your chest.

T1 dungeons you can speed run after you upgraded your gear, traited it and got a decent overall gear score. The mechanics were not annoying and easy to learn.

T2 are just tuned wrong. Mechanics are punishing with often no way to recover it you error, and boss fights take too long due to low damage output even if you are with a good group.

So my recommendation is to remove T2 dungeons and add all the drops to T1 chests. This way you can at least speed run for gear, and you have a better chance at something decent as there's more variety. I would also remove the blue gear from them as that is just filler.

These dungeons are really not the main part of the game, and you only recharge at 3 per day. So they should not take this long to complete, which is the reason why I highlighted speed runs in T1 as that is the way it should be and is inline with the overall game design which is based around gear score, not mechanics.

[Shazbot]

I wont lie.

I am only playing this game because it kills time while I wait for something that is better.

I can't commit to it like I want to because everything is gated with tokens or RNG or timers....

The compounding issue is that anybody who leaves will almost for sure NEVER come back because if you take 6 months off from this game then try coming back...... the level of how far behind you would be in power scale would be crazy....

It wouldn't be fun, and the content you would need to do in order to catch up would be content most people are over and not doing.

This then forces you to either swipe to get gains to bring you up to par, or hope RNG just hands you the things you need.... and again you would be gated in every aspect from just going hard and catching up.....

The more you look at this game the more you can tell they just want to get as much money as they can as fast as they can... with the surge of T2 gear going up on the AH for lower prices people are going to swipe more and get lucent so they can finish their builds off.

This is just their way of skimming the player base for what they can before they know we all bail out.... it is why the T2 dungeons are so hard..... it keeps the influx of gear at bay and keeps the prices high on the AH so they can maximize return on lucent sales....

just understand this games only reason to exist is to create a FOMO cycle that will keep you swiping lucent. good game design, fun gactor, replay value, balance are all second interest to them.

[X.X]

A little challenge is what makes an mmo or game fun. The mechs are not even that hard, It's just two more steps added into the mech. People are so lazy to learn new stuff and just want stuff handed to them. Drop rate is low but there's a pity system. If you play any other mmo, sometimes you dont even get gears you need or have to roll against another player for the items. People keeps saying the game wants money, duh, it's a free game and they need money. Bet most of the f2p hasnt put one dime into the game and yet complain the most about a free game. If you think this game is hard, go try Lost Ark. lol

[KillJoy]

Originally posted by XX:

A little challenge is what makes an mmo or game fun. The mechs are not even that hard, It's just two more steps added into the mech. People are so lazy to learn new stuff and just want stuff handed to them. Drop rate is low but there's a pity system. If you play any other mmo, sometimes you dont even get gears you need or have to roll against another player for the items. People keeps saying the game wants money, duh, it's a free game and they need money. Bet most of the f2p hasnt put one dime into the game and yet complain the most about a free game. If you think this game is hard, go try Lost Ark. lol

dungeon mechanics is exactly why I left lost ark. It's an MMO, game mechanics like this do not belong in an MMO.

[Elijahae]

Another thread who compare a MMO with a Diablo Like. Soon : Comparison between T&L with COD .

[EsZeus]

Originally posted by Elijahae:

Another thread who compare a MMO with a Diablo Like. Soon : Comparison between T&L with COD .

....

I translate it for you, because you seem to be lost somewhere. Hopefully not mentally:
MMO means "Massive Multiplayer Online", which means in your statement you COULD even compare it to EVERY other "MMO" out there. Even a shooter one.

So there you are already wrong, and you just told everybody who reads your comment that you have no clue about anything regarding MMOs.


So, POE is a MMORPG. It´s an ACTION-MMORPG, and even TL is an ACTION-RPG in some/most aspects.

The difference is the Top-Down Camera perspective.
Thats it.

You can play both games, TL & POE/POE2, in WASD & mouse-clicks to move around...




So back to topic.

The game will die. Because most players who play Diablo-like games are also playing Ashes of Creation, Throne and Liberty, or any other somewhat good or decent MMORPG out there.
Thats how the genre is called. Not just "MMO" like the previous unintelligent person said.




Thanks for the interesting feedback from the others.

[Elijahae]

Originally posted by EsZeus:

Originally posted by Elijahae:

Another thread who compare a MMO with a Diablo Like. Soon : Comparison between T&L with COD .

....

I translate it for you, because you seem to be lost somewhere. Hopefully not mentally:
MMO means "Massive Multiplayer Online", which means in your statement you COULD even compare it to EVERY other "MMO" out there. Even a shooter one.

So there you are already wrong, and you just told everybody who reads your comment that you have no clue about anything regarding MMOs.


So, POE is a MMORPG. It´s an ACTION-MMORPG, and even TL is an ACTION-RPG in some/most aspects.

The difference is the Top-Down Camera perspective.
Thats it.

You can play both games, TL & POE/POE2, in WASD & mouse-clicks to move around...




So back to topic.

The game will die. Because most players who play Diablo-like games are also playing Ashes of Creation, Throne and Liberty, or any other somewhat good or decent MMORPG out there.
Thats how the genre is called. Not just "MMO" like the previous unintelligent person said.




Thanks for the interesting feedback from the others.

Oh poor boy, I have forget to add RPG after MMO and you are angry.

Almost players who play Diablo Like, like MMORPG. Source: Trust me bro. And yes it's true, T&L / POE it's the same game, only different perspective, thanks for this 😂.

Oh, when you tell someone being lost mentally and unintelligent, try to be credible Mr multiple bans for cheat.

[EsZeus]

Originally posted by Elijahae:

Originally posted by EsZeus:

....

I translate it for you, because you seem to be lost somewhere. Hopefully not mentally:
MMO means "Massive Multiplayer Online", which means in your statement you COULD even compare it to EVERY other "MMO" out there. Even a shooter one.

So there you are already wrong, and you just told everybody who reads your comment that you have no clue about anything regarding MMOs.


So, POE is a MMORPG. It´s an ACTION-MMORPG, and even TL is an ACTION-RPG in some/most aspects.

The difference is the Top-Down Camera perspective.
Thats it.

You can play both games, TL & POE/POE2, in WASD & mouse-clicks to move around...




So back to topic.

The game will die. Because most players who play Diablo-like games are also playing Ashes of Creation, Throne and Liberty, or any other somewhat good or decent MMORPG out there.
Thats how the genre is called. Not just "MMO" like the previous unintelligent person said.




Thanks for the interesting feedback from the others.

Oh poor boy, I have forget to add RPG after MMO and you are angry.

Almost players who play Diablo Like, like MMORPG. Source: Trust me bro. And yes it's true, T&L / POE it's the same game, only different perspective, thanks for this 😂.

Oh, when you tell someone being lost mentally and unintelligent, try to be credible Mr multiple bans for cheat.

5 Years on steam... You could be around 18 there.
I totally understand where you inexperience to discuss comes from.

Have a nice day^^

Ps.: Blocked :)

[Umbre]

Vac banned weirdo with hentai picture talking trash on steam lol.
why?

[kiratzochris]

Originally posted by Shazbot:

I wont lie.

I am only playing this game because it kills time while I wait for something that is better.

I can't commit to it like I want to because everything is gated with tokens or RNG or timers....

The compounding issue is that anybody who leaves will almost for sure NEVER come back because if you take 6 months off from this game then try coming back...... the level of how far behind you would be in power scale would be crazy....

It wouldn't be fun, and the content you would need to do in order to catch up would be content most people are over and not doing.

This then forces you to either swipe to get gains to bring you up to par, or hope RNG just hands you the things you need.... and again you would be gated in every aspect from just going hard and catching up.....

The more you look at this game the more you can tell they just want to get as much money as they can as fast as they can... with the surge of T2 gear going up on the AH for lower prices people are going to swipe more and get lucent so they can finish their builds off.

This is just their way of skimming the player base for what they can before they know we all bail out.... it is why the T2 dungeons are so hard..... it keeps the influx of gear at bay and keeps the prices high on the AH so they can maximize return on lucent sales....

just understand this games only reason to exist is to create a FOMO cycle that will keep you swiping lucent. good game design, fun gactor, replay value, balance are all second interest to them.

This mate. I can't agree more

[snailturkey]

If it's too easy, it's boring. Yes, they have an insane amount of HP in t2 dungeons, but get a good group, get better and achieve something.

[EsZeus]

Originally posted by snailturkey:

If it's too easy, it's boring. Yes, they have an insane amount of HP in t2 dungeons, but get a good group, get better and achieve something.

I can run, as an example, the voidwaste dungeon with closed eyes. If that would be possible.
But too many small failures, a single misstep, a wrong positioning of one teammate, and you are done.

No one with RL can do these anymore, if they take hours each day.
Even if you do them and having success, if you need multiple tries per Boss Fight it takes you easily 20-30 Minutes even with a good group.
Or you have a full 6 Party with which you are running it daily.

But then its more like you are one of the people in the top guilds. There you have fun, and I would bet you paid some into the game, too.
I did, too. But thats it.
GS 3.2k and I know the mechanics. Its still not good game design. By far.

[EsZeus]

Ah, and of course you nerf healers at the same time, too :D

[Cat-'o-9-Lives]

Originally posted by EsZeus:

Ah, and of course you nerf healers at the same time, too :D

and thats the main reason i uninstalled this crap and waiting for poe2. ffs i spent iver 500h in this game and now they're doing something like this to me? fu ncsoft.
healers in this game were not good healers from the beginning, and now I don't even know what this class is or why it is in this game. I played healer and support in Lineage 2 for years and these classes were always appreciated and no one ever left the city walls without a healer or support. here I just feel like a useless hybrid who is not good at anything, not at buffing, not at healing or at debuffing. And it hurts even more because dps are still dps here and very strong ones, tanks are still tanks, what's more, with the option of healing, even some dps can heal themselves, and the healer in this game (i mean bow/wand ofc) this is some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥...

[Darth_Angeal]

The new dungeons are completely fine, Butcher and Shaikal even kinda easy mechanic-wise.

Originally posted by KillJoy:

My opinion is that neither T1 or T2 dungeons are worth your time, due to poor chances at loot.

And how big is the chance at worldbosses since you get the loot now from those dungeons?

Still love how poeple use phrases like "not worth your time" aswell. You can´t have fun in a game without being rewarded with loot all day long right? The dungeons actually offer more than just stupid grind as an experience.

Not to mention that the server will shut down some day. Maybe you even die within the time the game is online, who knows. So far nothing is worth your time in the end when we talk about games.
Fix your mentality mate, just a friendly advice.

Originally posted by EsZeus:

Overall I think with the release of the T2 dungeons the frustration is at an all time high.
With promising games on the horizon especially, a ton of players will leave.

Only poeple who´re kinda bad a gaming and who don´t want to get better will leave. The dungeons got already hard-nerfed for the western audience where poeple can´t stand more than 1 wipe and cry about "how difficult things are" instead of looking at themselves and their mistakes.
"Real" gamers will stay and wait for the next challenge to come. Right now the dungeons are still kinda easy, can´t wait for the difficulty-sliders and some enrages, so dps will be needed aswell.