Too much life for the T2 bosses.

[Yellowfrog]

My character is 3200.i can do the mechanics. But at the bosses it looks like you hit a wall.I can't understand the purpose of this since there is not a way for the players to improve, like at the start of the game and t1 dungeons.

[glaphen]

Originally posted by MoreGames:

Originally posted by glaphen:

Hurr durr, stats and passives give far more damage than base damage does, you do realize every strength is 1-1 damage right, and more, and the passive can be massive amounts of damage as well, you have not shown a single comparison where the tier 2 is better, and your current one is the most retarded one yet comparing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Resistance useless gear that is purposely bad to another purposely bad weapon that has 0 stats but a resource grind bonus. Not even ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ comparing the best to the best.

Your skills are literally multipliers of base damage. In every instance I checked, the tier 2 weapons have higher damage than tier 1 weapons. It is fact. You were caught lying and even tried to lie about your own lie lol.

I'm sorry but a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ doing math is always going to be wrong, fix that issue and you would see that I've been right on every single thing, that you brought up, I haven't even bothered bringing up any, and the one I did, you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ignore.

[MoreGames]

Originally posted by glaphen:

Originally posted by MoreGames:

Your skills are literally multipliers of base damage. In every instance I checked, the tier 2 weapons have higher damage than tier 1 weapons. It is fact. You were caught lying and even tried to lie about your own lie lol.

I'm sorry but a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ doing math is always going to be wrong, fix that issue and you would see that I've been right on every single thing, that you brought up, I haven't even bothered bringing up any, and the one I did, you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ignore.

You lied, was caught, and then tried to lie your way through your own lie.

You argue that stats are more important than base damage, so lets look at the original example using your argument :
Epic 2 Fallen Angel's Rod : 99-142 damage, 0.709s speed
cooldown 3%
dex 3
wisdom 5
Epic 1 Toublek's Quartestaff : 84-109 damage, 0.709s speed
cooldown 5.7%
dex 6

I would argue that the stats on the epic 2 is even better than the epic 1. You'll certainly gain more stats after you level it to +9 cause you have 2 stats here and will gain more stats from enhancement.

No matter how you try to twist this around, the tier 2 weapon will do more damage. So stop lying.

[glaphen]

Originally posted by MoreGames:

Originally posted by glaphen:

I'm sorry but a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ doing math is always going to be wrong, fix that issue and you would see that I've been right on every single thing, that you brought up, I haven't even bothered bringing up any, and the one I did, you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ignore.

You lied, was caught, and then tried to lie your way through your own lie.

You argue that stats are more important than base damage, so lets look at the original example using your argument :
Epic 2 Fallen Angel's Rod : 99-142 damage, 0.709s speed
cooldown 3%
dex 3
wisdom 5
Epic 1 Toublek's Quartestaff : 84-109 damage, 0.709s speed
cooldown 5.7%
dex 6

I would argue that the stats on the epic 2 is even better than the epic 1. You'll certainly gain more stats after you level it to +9 cause you have 2 stats here and will gain more stats from enhancement.

No matter how you try to twist this around, the tier 2 weapon will do more damage. So stop lying.

Ignoring the passive still ♥♥♥♥♥♥, 20 meters range is 400 crit rate.

[MoreGames]

Originally posted by glaphen:

Originally posted by MoreGames:

You lied, was caught, and then tried to lie your way through your own lie.

You argue that stats are more important than base damage, so lets look at the original example using your argument :
Epic 2 Fallen Angel's Rod : 99-142 damage, 0.709s speed
cooldown 3%
dex 3
wisdom 5
Epic 1 Toublek's Quartestaff : 84-109 damage, 0.709s speed
cooldown 5.7%
dex 6

I would argue that the stats on the epic 2 is even better than the epic 1. You'll certainly gain more stats after you level it to +9 cause you have 2 stats here and will gain more stats from enhancement.

No matter how you try to twist this around, the tier 2 weapon will do more damage. So stop lying.

Ignoring the passive still ♥♥♥♥♥♥, 20 meters range is 400 crit rate.

You don't always get to move that far away. I bet 9 out of 10 players will pick the epic 2 weapon if they get to choose. Stop lying.

[Louise]

you guys say t1 is so easy its getting boringf, they gave you a challenging boss and now you complain. cmon guys

[glaphen]

Really funny if you go to Whelps questlog build and just change the staff to +9 Toublek between the two it changes damage from 205~511 Toublek to 205-522 your ♥♥♥♥♥♥ staff.

[glaphen]

Originally posted by MoreGames:

Originally posted by glaphen:

Ignoring the passive still ♥♥♥♥♥♥, 20 meters range is 400 crit rate.

You don't always get to move that far away. I bet 9 out of 10 players will pick the epic 2 weapon if they get to choose. Stop lying.

Really funny because there's literal proof I posted earlier that they didn't, which is why they nerfed tier 1 weapons and made tier 2 +12.

[MoreGames]

Originally posted by glaphen:

Really funny if you go to Whelps questlog build and just change the staff to +9 Toublek between the two it changes damage from 205~511 Toublek to 205-522 your ♥♥♥♥♥♥ staff.

I like how you just make numbers up lol.

If you plus 9 them it would be :
Epic 2 Fallen Angel's Rod : 125-190 damage, 0.709s speed
cooldown 7.5%
dex 7
wisdom 9
Epic 1 Toublek's Quartestaff : 110-154 damage, 0.709s speed
cooldown 10.2%
dex 10

You're talking about how important stats are. The epic 2 gives 16 stat points while the epic 1 only gives 10 lol.

No matter how you try to twist this around, the tier 2 weapon will do more damage. So stop lying.

[glaphen]

Originally posted by MoreGames:

Originally posted by glaphen:

Really funny if you go to Whelps questlog build and just change the staff to +9 Toublek between the two it changes damage from 205~511 Toublek to 205-522 your ♥♥♥♥♥♥ staff.

If you plus 9 them it would be :
Epic 2 Fallen Angel's Rod : 125-190 damage, 0.709s speed
cooldown 7.5%
dex 7
wisdom 9
Epic 1 Toublek's Quartestaff : 110-154 damage, 0.709s speed
cooldown 10.2%
dex 10

You're talking about how important stats are. The epic 2 gives 16 stat points while the epic 1 only gives 10 lol.

No matter how you try to twist this around, the tier 2 weapon will do more damage. So stop lying.

It's just false, 400 crit rate is better, here want more proof ♥♥♥♥♥♥, scroll to the 9/5 entry.
https://tl.plaync.com/ko-kr/board/tl_dev/list
I will explain the reason for reaching this conclusion.


​
2. Reason and Background

Before the explanation,
I would like to apologize to those who are confused by the change in equipment performance at this time.
Not only did the new hero 2-tier equipment that can be obtained from Toland disappoint you with its performance below expectations,
but some of you may also feel disappointed due to the equipment ability adjustments that will be explained later.
If we had prepared to satisfy you from the beginning, there would have been no problem,
but I am very sorry for taking the action so late.

However, we thought that it was our job to quickly fix the problem and
give you the reward of farming,
so we made the decision, even though it was late.​
It started with the update of the ‘Cooperative Dungeon: 2-Star Dimension’ in March.
The 2-Star Dimension was originally prepared along with the Toland update,
but when the Toland schedule was inevitably changed to August, the 2-Star Dimension was released first to fill the gap in content.

In a situation where the planned maximum level expansion, new fields, and bosses for the Toland update were not included,
we could not indiscriminately increase the performance of the ‘Hero 2-tier’ equipment provided as a 2-star Dimension reward,
and we wanted to avoid the experience of having the equipment we worked so hard to obtain be hard reset at the time of the Toland update.

However, the passive balancing that was carried out during this process
was equally applied to the performance of not only the new Toland equipment but also the Hero 1-tier and Hero 2-tier equipment,
and as a result, the equipment obtained from the new content did not provide a sense of growth, and the satisfaction of playing continued to decrease.

[glaphen]

Oh look, tier 2 was released all way back in ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ March, so damn long ago, skill specializations weren't out until like August or something around.

[MoreGames]

No, what you said is false.
You claimed :

Originally posted by glaphen:

Really funny if you go to Whelps questlog build and just change the staff to +9 Toublek between the two it changes damage from 205~511 Toublek to 205-522 your ♥♥♥♥♥♥ staff.

Where does your numbers come from? More lies?

If you plus 9 them it would be :
Epic 2 Fallen Angel's Rod : 125-190 damage, 0.709s speed
cooldown 7.5%
dex 7
wisdom 9
Epic 1 Toublek's Quartestaff : 110-154 damage, 0.709s speed
cooldown 10.2%
dex 10

You're talking about how important stats are. The epic 2 gives 16 stat points while the epic 1 only gives 10 lol.

No matter how you try to twist this around, the tier 2 weapon will do more damage. So stop lying.

[glaphen]

Originally posted by MoreGames:

No, what you said is false.
You claimed :

Originally posted by glaphen:

Really funny if you go to Whelps questlog build and just change the staff to +9 Toublek between the two it changes damage from 205~511 Toublek to 205-522 your ♥♥♥♥♥♥ staff.

Where does your numbers come from?

If you plus 9 them it would be :
Epic 2 Fallen Angel's Rod : 125-190 damage, 0.709s speed
cooldown 7.5%
dex 7
wisdom 9
Epic 1 Toublek's Quartestaff : 110-154 damage, 0.709s speed
cooldown 10.2%
dex 10

You're talking about how important stats are. The epic 2 gives 16 stat points while the epic 1 only gives 10 lol.

No matter how you try to twist this around, the tier 2 weapon will do more damage. So stop lying.

God you are brain damaged, I was comparing the other weapon damage, whole 11 out of 522 for your other weapon, the other weapon is getting that 400 crit still, wrap your tiny brain around these simple things, my fault for being roundabout. Which again the weapon was nerfed since it used to give 30, so it would be 600 at 20 meter range, 900 at max, you can still get 600 in this version even.

[MoreGames]

Originally posted by glaphen:

God you are brain damaged, I was comparing the other weapon damage, whole 11 out of 522 for your other weapon, the other weapon is getting that 400 crit still, wrap your tiny brain around these simple things, my fault for being roundabout.

I think you're describing yourself.
You dont always get the 400 crit lol.

If you plus 9 them it would be :
Epic 2 Fallen Angel's Rod : 125-190 damage, 0.709s speed
cooldown 7.5%
dex 7
wisdom 9
Epic 1 Toublek's Quartestaff : 110-154 damage, 0.709s speed
cooldown 10.2%
dex 10

I bet 9 out of 10 players would choose the epic 2. The one who doesn't is prob you lol. But in reality you would choose it too if you had the choice lol.

[glaphen]

Originally posted by MoreGames:

Originally posted by glaphen:

God you are brain damaged, I was comparing the other weapon damage, whole 11 out of 522 for your other weapon, the other weapon is getting that 400 crit still, wrap your tiny brain around these simple things, my fault for being roundabout.

I think you're describing yourself.
You dont always get the 400 crit lol.

If you plus 9 them it would be :
Epic 2 Fallen Angel's Rod : 125-190 damage, 0.709s speed
cooldown 7.5%
dex 7
wisdom 9
Epic 1 Toublek's Quartestaff : 110-154 damage, 0.709s speed
cooldown 10.2%
dex 10

I bet 9 out of 10 players would choose the epic 2.

Which again I ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ wrote multiple times that they weren't with 2 different articles of proof from the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ developers themselves. Once again the less than 5% base damage difference after base stats can't make up for 400 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ crit, which is only 20 meters out of 30 range, and after the nerf.

[MoreGames]

Originally posted by glaphen:

Originally posted by MoreGames:

I think you're describing yourself.
You dont always get the 400 crit lol.

If you plus 9 them it would be :
Epic 2 Fallen Angel's Rod : 125-190 damage, 0.709s speed
cooldown 7.5%
dex 7
wisdom 9
Epic 1 Toublek's Quartestaff : 110-154 damage, 0.709s speed
cooldown 10.2%
dex 10

I bet 9 out of 10 players would choose the epic 2.

Which again I ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ wrote multiple times that they weren't with 2 different articles of proof from the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ developers themselves. Once again the less than 5% base damage difference after base stats can't make up for 400 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ crit, which is only 20 meters out of 30 range, and after the nerf.

You need to learn math and what crit chance means.
17 m range x 20 = 340 crit CHANCE
This is NOT CRIT DAMAGE. It merely increases your CHANCE to do your weapon's max BASE DAMAGE. You can still fail and NOT CRIT!!!

Now for BASE DAMAGE :
Epic 1 : 125-154 damage means 132 on average without crit
Epic 2: 124-190 damage means 157.5 on average without crit

That's almost 19.3% increase in base damage on average, not "less than 5%". Learn math lol.