Why was PvP totally Removed from Throne and Liberty?

[Vargos]

Hello all pvp content lovers!

I have some bad news and some thoughts for us regarding the Throne and Liberty pvp system. Please share your thoughts as well.



Initially, Throne and Liberty was planned with a PvP focus. Now, it’s been altered to only peaceful zones.

Now we dont have even duels, any proper arenas or battlegrounds, any pvp locations.



Currently, we only get PvP a few times a day in designated locations during specific events. If I'm a PvP player looking for fun and competition, I'm out of luck.

They could have at least maintained certain territories where flagging and PK penalties are available. But no, they completely stripped the game of PvP.



PvE players already had plenty of content, as far as I understand.

There are already a lot possibility of bosses fights without PvP for PvE players, and if they had added with a proper PK penalty system, PvE players wouldn’t be disturbed at all.



Just introducing a significant penalty for PK would have been enough, but instead, they removed PvP entirely, leaving just a bit for raid bosses and in some locations on a schedule.



But what if I want to approach a player, flag myself, and, if they’re willing, test our both skills? This is a possibility of freedom of action that should be an integral part of MMORPGs. Especially if it has positioned itself as a PVP-oriented game.





What do you think about the removal of PvP from Throne and Liberty? Is there a chance that Amazongames might bring PvP back into the game?

And is there anything we can do to influence this?

[McTaterskins]

The pvp availability is basically the same as it was during the tech test. I spent most of my time pvping on the tech test. So... meh.

[Vargos]

Originally posted by McTaterskins:

The pvp availability is basically the same as it was during the tech test. I spent most of my time pvping on the tech test. So... meh.

Now, playing in the evening, from 6 pm to 12 am, you have the opportunity to take part in PvP only twice for 10 minutes in specially designated locations at a specially designated time. Everything else is only PVE.
I would also like to remind you that there are no arenas, no battlegrounds, and not even duels!

[McTaterskins]

Originally posted by Vargos:

Originally posted by McTaterskins:

The pvp availability is basically the same as it was during the tech test. I spent most of my time pvping on the tech test. So... meh.

Now, playing in the evening, from 6 pm to 12 am, you have the opportunity to take part in PvP only twice for 10 minutes in specially designated locations at a specially designated time. Everything else is only PVE.
I would also like to remind you that there are no arenas, no battlegrounds, and not even duels!

You're playing the KR version right now?

[Vargos]

Originally posted by McTaterskins:

Originally posted by Vargos:

Now, playing in the evening, from 6 pm to 12 am, you have the opportunity to take part in PvP only twice for 10 minutes in specially designated locations at a specially designated time. Everything else is only PVE.
I would also like to remind you that there are no arenas, no battlegrounds, and not even duels!

You're playing the KR version right now?

Yes, we playing with our guild from the very beginning.

But I wasn't there for the technical test, so I can't compare it to what happened. I see what is now.

[McTaterskins]

Originally posted by Vargos:

But I wasn't there for the technical test, so I can't compare it to what happened. I see what is now.

Are you looking at the entire schedule? At least 1 zone event on each cycle is pvp. The event on top of every hour happens in more than one zone, so you may need to look across the map. Also - in between those times, look to the abyssal areas.

[Chewy]

Originally posted by McTaterskins:

Originally posted by Vargos:

But I wasn't there for the technical test, so I can't compare it to what happened. I see what is now.

Are you looking at the entire schedule? At least 1 zone event on each cycle is pvp. The event on top of every hour happens in more than one zone, so you may need to look across the map. Also - in between those times, look to the abyssal areas.

https://youtu.be/OPO1eRRZkIU

If you call this good PvP, that's sad

[McTaterskins]

Originally posted by Chewy:

https://youtu.be/OPO1eRRZkIU

If you call this good PvP, that's sad

What are you even talking about? We're discussing/discerning the differences in pvp frequency and availability from last tech test to korean release.

[Chewy]

Originally posted by McTaterskins:

Originally posted by Chewy:

https://youtu.be/OPO1eRRZkIU

If you call this good PvP, that's sad

What are you even talking about? We're discussing/discerning the differences in pvp frequency and availability from last tech test to korean release.

You clearly defend current PvP system by saying that you spent most of your time PvPing. Saying "So... meh." in context of this thread meaning that the creator of the thread is wrong and there is plenty PvP content.

So I am saying, if you enjoy this kind of PvP system.... meh.

[Vargos]

Originally posted by McTaterskins:

Originally posted by Vargos:

But I wasn't there for the technical test, so I can't compare it to what happened. I see what is now.

Are you looking at the entire schedule? At least 1 zone event on each cycle is pvp. The event on top of every hour happens in more than one zone, so you may need to look across the map. Also - in between those times, look to the abyssal areas.

During prime time (or +\- standart play time of usual player) is from 7 PM to 12 AM, you have the chance to engage in PvP just once, and it lasts for 20 minutes in a provided location and at a designated time (this is a PvE event on a schedule where the location also becomes available for PvP).

Example of PVP activities schedule -
https://prnt.sc/V2G5UrqTOlY4

Okay, during this 5 hr of eavning playtime maybe its will be 2 dubious sort pvp activities for 20 min each. And yes, its looks like in this video above.



That's why I have a question, why did they remove pvp completely and can we expect to get pvp in the release from amazon games.

[Eido]

Originally posted by Chewy:

Originally posted by McTaterskins:

Are you looking at the entire schedule? At least 1 zone event on each cycle is pvp. The event on top of every hour happens in more than one zone, so you may need to look across the map. Also - in between those times, look to the abyssal areas.

https://youtu.be/OPO1eRRZkIU

If you call this good PvP, that's sad

This is exactly what I thought it would look like. So the PvP quality is ♥♥♥♥♥♥, even apart from the fact that they run around in groups killing individual people because there is no flag/pk system. You can see that when several random people meet, player A beats player B, player C beats player A, and player C beats player D. Such a PvP system brings nothing to the game except frustration and reluctance to visit the PvP zone, I can delete the TL from the list of games you are waiting for

[Vargos]

Originally posted by Eido:

Originally posted by Chewy:

https://youtu.be/OPO1eRRZkIU

If you call this good PvP, that's sad

This is exactly what I thought it would look like. So the PvP quality is ♥♥♥♥♥♥, even apart from the fact that they run around in groups killing individual people because there is no flag/pk system. You can see that when several random people meet, player A beats player B, player C beats player A, and player C beats player D. Such a PvP system brings nothing to the game except frustration and reluctance to visit the PvP zone, I can delete the TL from the list of games you are waiting for

That's what I'm talking about.
Complete lack of pvp content. What happens at these events cannot be called normal pvp. It's chaos among the randos, and a few party players who kill them.

Even an open pvp with flagging and a heavy PC penalty would make more sense than this. Not to mention that there are no battlegrounds, no arenas, no duels either.

[McTaterskins]

Originally posted by Vargos:

During prime time (or +\- standart play time of usual player) is from 7 PM to 12 AM, you have the chance to engage in PvP just once, and it lasts for 20 minutes in a provided location and at a designated time (this is a PvE event on a schedule where the location also becomes available for PvP).

Example of PVP activities schedule -
https://prnt.sc/V2G5UrqTOlY4

Okay, during this 5 hr of eavning playtime maybe its will be 2 dubious sort pvp activities for 20 min each. And yes, its looks like in this video above.



That's why I have a question, why did they remove pvp completely and can we expect to get pvp in the release from amazon games.

Oof. That sucks. That's totally different than last play test. :(

[McTaterskins]

Originally posted by Chewy:

Originally posted by McTaterskins:

What are you even talking about? We're discussing/discerning the differences in pvp frequency and availability from last tech test to korean release.

You clearly defend current PvP system by saying that you spent most of your time PvPing. Saying "So... meh." in context of this thread meaning that the creator of the thread is wrong and there is plenty PvP content.

So I am saying, if you enjoy this kind of PvP system.... meh.

The post was in regard to them "removing" it. Which would lend to frequency. Frequency and Quality are two different things. You're arguing with no one. Not surprising on a steam forum though.

[Eido]

how does PvP work in clan vs clan? When clans are at war, you can fight wherever and whenever you want? Or only during funny events?

[HersheyNesquik]

Originally posted by Chewy:

Originally posted by McTaterskins:

Are you looking at the entire schedule? At least 1 zone event on each cycle is pvp. The event on top of every hour happens in more than one zone, so you may need to look across the map. Also - in between those times, look to the abyssal areas.

https://youtu.be/OPO1eRRZkIU

If you call this good PvP, that's sad

lmao the whole game looks like garbage