Another MMO without a healer?

[Patrik71]

I was actually looking forward to TaL. Now I've been told that there are only DD and tanks again. There is only a pseudo healer with a magic wand and a book who only has ¾ of his abilities for doing dmg.

[vaanomega]

Maybe we will get a full Healer weapon later, but the Wand seems Ok, maybe they fear that true healer will break PvP

[McTaterskins]

The wand and tome have healing. A bunch of the other weapons have self healing. Defensive skills and debuffs matter. Game still has the trinity. It's just less boring.

[Patrik71]

One heal with 15 sec CD and one with 30 sec CD. Then you only have the bubble. The rest of the fight you can go AFK or do DMG.

I can't imagine that it has a negative effect on PVP. In the sandbox game "Albion", which is full PVP, the healers don't disturb the balance.
Due to the self-heal of the DD and tanks, it seems more likely that the game has been designed from the outset for gameplay without healers.

[McTaterskins]

Originally posted by Patrik71:

One heal with 15 sec CD and one with 30 sec CD. Then you only have the bubble. The rest of the fight you can go AFK or do DMG.

I can't imagine that it has a negative effect on PVP. In the sandbox game "Albion", which is full PVP, the healers don't disturb the balance.
Due to the self-heal of the DD and tanks, it seems more likely that the game has been designed from the outset for gameplay without healers.

If you look at some of the other games like ESO and NW, healing causes a lot of stagnant issues in the pvp combat. Especially ESO. It didn't feel like that at all during tech test pvp which was refreshing. Obviously game has changed since tech test and might change more, so who knows, I guess.

[RubyNips]

Guild Wars 2, devs admitted that the lack of trinity watered down endgame progression since entire end game content was just a zerg. Later on adding classes that can support and heal but alas that ship already sailed and no implementations would change the core of the game.

Dont like trinity? Great! Enjoy the game! Just dont ask a year later for some diverse content since everything will be just zerg and more zerg. No one special, no one is unique, just a dps race to the bottom.

[Naix]

Somehow I'm also a bit disappointed, as a passionate healer player I thought the game was supposed to be the holy trinity.
Tank,Heal,DD but I don't really see healers here maybe that will change in the endgame?

[Ice❄Colors]

RIP, I absolutely loved playing healers in Lineage 2. This is a massive let down for me.

[xDOPEx86]

I've seen some people that are playing the Korean version say that Healers are actually pretty important in end game, especially Guild Activities, like Guild Bosses and such. Although it may not be constant healing, it sounds like it will still play a role.

I've been playing Healer a lot lately and am actually missing playing DPS, so if T&L has a healing class that's more DPS than usual, I'll be pretty happy about that. Although I understand how people would want a dedicated and active healing role.

From what I've read and heard, sounds like Wand/Bow or Wand/Dagger are good Support/DPS mixtures. The Wand seems to have 2 Healing skills and I think I read that the Bow has some kind of HoT/Regen or something.

[Naix]

Well maybe at some point there really will be a pure healer staff, funny that that was never chalked up, I mean there are full tanks and DDs but only semi-healers.

Or you do it like in LostArk with a few buffs that you can distribute.

As it is now, it doesn't really convince me yet, but I haven't played it myself because Amazon is sleeping here.

So I can only assume streams.

Of course the healer will be important, but other classes can also heal, the question is whether a second skill healer is enough or whether you really need a main healer later on, but then he won't have many more healing options.

[Naix]

Originally posted by xDOPEx86:

From what I've read and heard, sounds like Wand/Bow or Wand/Dagger are good Support/DPS mixtures. The Wand seems to have 2 Healing skills and I think I read that the Bow has some kind of HoT/Regen or something.

Yes, but with extremely high coldowns, like everything that can heal.

Ka in how far you can press the CD or what set bonuses there are for it.

But somehow the whole thing doesn't look well thought out.

But as I said, I haven't been able to play it myself yet.

[Patrik71]

Of course you can adapt a game afterwards. NW didn't consider healers at the beginning either. The fact that the heavier the armour is, the less DMG you make, but it had no effect on healing, was easy to fix. The fact that the pseudo control of the target to be healed didn't work was tried to be fixed by the option to select group members with buttons. But since there are no unassigned keys anywhere near WASD, this is difficult. Problems like only seeing 5 of the 40 members in a raid are not fixed at all. Simply introducing a new weapon later, as NW did with the Void Gauntlet, will certainly not solve all the problems.

If I want to play a healer, I want to heal and not primarily do dmg.
I was actually looking forward to T&L. But I won't start it without a healer class. And I'm certainly not going to check every now and then to see if it's been properly repaired. For me it's a stillbirth.

[Rex Smashington]

Sorry you can't whack-a-mole health bars. If you can't make this work, you're not a good healer anyway.

https://i.imgur.com/vqcjFPf.png

Then they've still got their AOE full party heal and single target defensive.

It's a siege PVP game. Hundreds of players on your screen at the same time. If everyone could spam heal like WoW it would be the worst PVP imagineable. No one would ever die.

[Patrik71]

Read first then reply.
The bites were referring to NW (New World) and that you can't fix everything by implementing new weapons.
You only have 2 heal spells and if they have CD you can go AFG or do DMG until they are rdy again. And I don't play a healer because I want to DMG.

[Rex Smashington]

Originally posted by Patrik71:

Read first then reply.
The bites were referring to NW (New World) and that you can't fix everything by implementing new weapons.
You only have 2 heal spells and if they have CD you can go AFG or do DMG until they are rdy again. And I don't play a healer because I want to DMG.

You clearly haven't played Throne & Liberty and are just being a nerd theory crafting about something that other people are actively playing. Healing is fun. Healers have a major role in the game. None of it plays like a standard MMO. Tanking is different as well. Different doesn't mean bad. It just means you have to learn a new way to play a game.

Go spend $15 bucks and get a verified NC account and ExitLag and try it for yourself then come back and share your thoughts.

[Naix]

So I'll still play it, book and bow seems like a good support and mana battery for the group.

I only judge in endgame with endgame gear anyway, as you say it plays differently, but if it degenerates like in wow 80% you do damage as a healer, I wouldn't like that either, but let's see.