Why not turn off PvP altogether?

[Eido]

NCSoft will completely remove PvP from the game, because the closer to the release of the game, the more you withdraw from what was supposed to be about PvP. Instead of misleading people and promising that the game will be based around PvP, remove them completely and stop embarrassing yourself. A GAME TRYING TO BALANCE BETWEEN PVE AND PVP WILL NOT SUCCEED!!! These are my predictions: 200-300k players at the start, 30k after two months, 10k after five months. Your only hope for maintaining the game for years were Lineage 2 players, but now I wouldn't count on it. So PvE players jump into the game, but they get bored with it after 2-3 months.

[Chewy]

There is no hope, this game is going to be dead after a few months with all the trash they do, promise PvP game, then going into the PvE direction... Should change the name from Throne and Liberty, to Paws and Peace.

[Eido]

Originally posted by Chewy:

There is no hope, this game is going to be dead after a few months with all the trash they do, promise PvP game, then going into the PvE direction... Should change the name from Throne and Liberty, to Paws and Peace.

What pisses me off the most is that they got a PvP player's hopes up and then gave up on it. It wouldn't have been a problem for me or most players if they had written clearly from the beginning that it would be a PvE game. Then I wouldn't even be interested in the game, and they just pissed off a lot of players

[Chewy]

Originally posted by Eido:

Originally posted by Chewy:

There is no hope, this game is going to be dead after a few months with all the trash they do, promise PvP game, then going into the PvE direction... Should change the name from Throne and Liberty, to Paws and Peace.

What pisses me off the most is that they got a PvP player's hopes up and then gave up on it. It wouldn't have been a problem for me or most players if they had written clearly from the beginning that it would be a PvE game. Then I wouldn't even be interested in the game, and they just pissed off a lot of players

Yeah, me and my friends feel the same way. They gave us hope and took it away later.

This is just another MMO CO-OP game, with some pvp elements. People will just keep playing on free Lineage2 servers and wait for LU4 to release the remake of it on unreal 4.

I am sure the online will be crazy on release, but it will drop just as New World did.

[Eido]

Originally posted by Chewy:

Originally posted by Eido:

What pisses me off the most is that they got a PvP player's hopes up and then gave up on it. It wouldn't have been a problem for me or most players if they had written clearly from the beginning that it would be a PvE game. Then I wouldn't even be interested in the game, and they just pissed off a lot of players

Yeah, me and my friends feel the same way. They gave us hope and took it away later.

This is just another MMO CO-OP game, with some pvp elements. People will just keep playing on free Lineage2 servers and wait for LU4 to release the remake of it on unreal 4.

I am sure the online will be crazy on release, but it will drop just as New World did.

Even in a game like Path of Exile, a PvE based game has been on the market for years, it is only crowded for the first 3-4 weeks after the release of a new expansion and then the interest in it drops until the new league comes. After the introduction of the new DLC to New World, interest in the game also increased for a while. My point is that a game based on PvE is not able to keep players for a long time because PvE gets boring quickly. Even in PoE, where there is a lot of PvE content, people get bored quite quickly until something new is introduced. I don't know what it's like with WoW, whether a lot of people play or not, but for example FF14 is starting to earn less and less money. In order for an MMO game based on PvE to remain at a high level, DLCs would have to be introduced every month. For PvP players, farming, crafting, developing characters, fighting for castles, RB comes down to one role to compete with other players, and what goals do they have? PvE players, can someone explain this to me? because I really don't understand. In PvP games, some enemies leave, others come, some clan wars end, others begin, in short, it is the players who create the content. And the only thing a game based on PvE offers is boredom after a short time

[BigBoyAdvance]

Name 1 MMORPG that's solely focused on PvP that has more than 100k daily concurrent players. Oh, there's none? Because people don't want to engage in unbalanced PvP and prefer playing PvP games where everyone starts on equal footing at the beginning of each match? That's too bad. Turns out you're just a loser who wants unbalanced PvP because you're too scared of competing if everyone has identical gear, power and team size. Grow up, kid, and play real PvP games instead of hiding behind your farmed gear and bigger clan.

[Eido]

Originally posted by BigBoyAdvance:

Name 1 MMORPG that's solely focused on PvP that has more than 100k daily concurrent players. Oh, there's none? Because people don't want to engage in unbalanced PvP and prefer playing PvP games where everyone starts on equal footing at the beginning of each match? That's too bad. Turns out you're just a loser who wants unbalanced PvP because you're too scared of competing if everyone has identical gear, power and team size. Grow up, kid, and play real PvP games instead of hiding behind your farmed gear and bigger clan.

There is no such game, and do you know why? Because in the last 10 years, no one has made a game with an open world PvP. New game like NW, FF14, BP etc are focused around PvE and single player. Of course, we're talking about AAA games, but don't tell me about any low-budget games that I haven't even heard of. The problem is that even if a studio wanted to make a game for PvP players, demanding PvE players will come and force changes, for example NW and TL, which is why there are no real OP PVP games recently. And you've never played any of these games and you have no idea what they look like, and you have the most to say

[Dark Exile]

Originally posted by Eido:

There is no such game, and do you know why? Because in the last 10 years, no one has made a game with an open world PvP. New game like NW, FF14, BP etc are focused around PvE and single player. Of course, we're talking about AAA games, but don't tell me about any low-budget games that I haven't even heard of. The problem is that even if a studio wanted to make a game for PvP players, demanding PvE players will come and force changes, for example NW and TL, which is why there are no real OP PVP games recently. And you've never played any of these games and you have no idea what they look like, and you have the most to say

And again, you're clearly not a pvper if "no one has released a full pvp game in the last ten years" Mortal online 2, look it up with its chart topping numbers.

Actually look up any number of others (and yes there are multiple) that aren't currently on life support because no ones interested.

Edit: my bad it sold 110k copies vs the millions every other mmo sells, with its 10k peak players and 24 hour peak of 1200, smashing those charts....... /s

[Chewy]

Originally posted by Dark Exile:

Originally posted by Eido:

There is no such game, and do you know why? Because in the last 10 years, no one has made a game with an open world PvP. New game like NW, FF14, BP etc are focused around PvE and single player. Of course, we're talking about AAA games, but don't tell me about any low-budget games that I haven't even heard of. The problem is that even if a studio wanted to make a game for PvP players, demanding PvE players will come and force changes, for example NW and TL, which is why there are no real OP PVP games recently. And you've never played any of these games and you have no idea what they look like, and you have the most to say

And again, you're clearly not a pvper if "no one has released a full pvp game in the last ten years" Mortal online 2, look it up with its chart topping numbers.

Actually look up any number of others (and yes there are multiple) that aren't currently on life support because no ones interested.

Edit: my bad it sold 110k copies vs the millions every other mmo sells, with its 10k peak players and 24 hour peak of 1200, smashing those charts....... /s

Tell me are you blind? He literally wrote "don't tell me about any low-budget games that I haven't even heard of.", and you send a game which nobody even heard of, you should return to circus.

[Dark Exile]

Originally posted by Chewy:

Tell me are you blind? He literally wrote "don't tell me about any low-budget games that I haven't even heard of.", and you send a game which nobody even heard of, you should return to circus.

Nobody heard of? Enough people heard of the first one to warrant a sequel, a sequel that even managed to pick up even the most casual PvP players and still couldn't crack quarter of a million sales.

Hard to define low budget, given how much an mmo of its scale takes to make, unless you're talking about looks, in which case the most popular pvp mmo ever made barely looked a step above runescape.

The complaints in the forum are enough to tell you why it and every other game like it dies.

Which again goes back to the same old argument, you won't find a high budget pvp mmo that cost hundreds of millions to make, because it will never make back what it costs to make it.

Blind, no, slightly more educated than you? clearly.

[McTaterskins]

I don't think anyone in this discussion board area actually plays NW.

[Eido]

Originally posted by Chewy:

Originally posted by Dark Exile:

And again, you're clearly not a pvper if "no one has released a full pvp game in the last ten years" Mortal online 2, look it up with its chart topping numbers.

Actually look up any number of others (and yes there are multiple) that aren't currently on life support because no ones interested.

Edit: my bad it sold 110k copies vs the millions every other mmo sells, with its 10k peak players and 24 hour peak of 1200, smashing those charts....... /s

Tell me are you blind? He literally wrote "don't tell me about any low-budget games that I haven't even heard of.", and you send a game which nobody even heard of, you should return to circus.

I don't know this game, it's the first time I've heard of it. I honestly haven't been interested in the MMO market lately, because every game that comes out is pve/single player. My hopes were in NW (and now in TL), because they promised OP PVP, but they made a mistake because during the beta tests, most people didn't care what was happening because the characters would be wiped anyway. They did what was most fun, so they fought and killed whoever they could, wherever, and then all the PvE players started crying that if the game was supposed to look like this, they wouldn't play. PvE players have some demonic idea about PvP games that there is nothing but someone murdering someone at every turn, which is nonsense. In lineage 2, 95% of the game was spent on XP, and only 5% on PvP, and the system was so well thought out that you thought twice before flagging yourself or killing someone. And the best thing about it all was that the game itself did not limit you where and to whom you could do something, which in itself made the game much more interesting.

[Ormányos Tokmány]

go outside and touch some grass

[Chewy]

Originally posted by Dark Exile:

Originally posted by Chewy:

Tell me are you blind? He literally wrote "don't tell me about any low-budget games that I haven't even heard of.", and you send a game which nobody even heard of, you should return to circus.

Nobody heard of? Enough people heard of the first one to warrant a sequel, a sequel that even managed to pick up even the most casual PvP players and still couldn't crack quarter of a million sales.

Hard to define low budget, given how much an mmo of its scale takes to make, unless you're talking about looks, in which case the most popular pvp mmo ever made barely looked a step above runescape.

The complaints in the forum are enough to tell you why it and every other game like it dies.

Which again goes back to the same old argument, you won't find a high budget pvp mmo that cost hundreds of millions to make, because it will never make back what it costs to make it.

Blind, no, slightly more educated than you? clearly.

You are assuming someone's level of education, which shows your own insecurity. Citing an obscure MMORPG from an unknown developer as evidence only serves to highlight your own misconceptions.

[Dark Exile]

Originally posted by Chewy:

You are assuming someone's level of education, which shows your own insecurity. Citing an obscure MMORPG from an unknown developer as evidence only serves to highlight your own misconceptions.

Well from the way you talk which boils down to "i want my game made this way" with no logical thought behind it beyond "i want it this way" you don't really leave much wiggle room, games are a business and it makes no sense to cater to the smallest sub group.

And no, star vault is not an unknown developer, if half the people claiming they're "real PvPers" were that, they would have heard of them back in 2005, do the math, thats almost 20 years, a failed, "unknown" developer doesn't last twenty years in this industry, most of the best pvp games created didn't even last half that long.

[Chewy]

Originally posted by Dark Exile:

Originally posted by Chewy:

You are assuming someone's level of education, which shows your own insecurity. Citing an obscure MMORPG from an unknown developer as evidence only serves to highlight your own misconceptions.

Well from the way you talk which boils down to "i want my game made this way" with no logical thought behind it beyond "i want it this way" you don't really leave much wiggle room, games are a business and it makes no sense to cater to the smallest sub group.

And no, star vault is not an unknown developer, if half the people claiming they're "real PvPers" were that, they would have heard of them back in 2005, do the math, thats almost 20 years, a failed, "unknown" developer doesn't last twenty years in this industry, most of the best pvp games created didn't even last half that long.

No point in arguing with you. Keep thinking that some "mortal 2" or whatever is a popular game and "star vault" is a very successful company. "Real PvPers" - people who heard of star vault. Understood.