How does ONLINE PVP work?

[Tristin]

I left my game afk for 1hr on ranked game, and game still continues fine. Yet, if I abandon my game on ranked game, I get penalty.

So how does PVP even work? It doesn't appear like I'm actually doing online PVP. Does it just use players' saved backpacks and spit it out to whomever is in that round on any game?
So confused.. it rather feels like solo PVP.

[Grandork]

... It should be obvious, no? The reason you get penalized for leaving ranked is because it's RNG based game. If there were no penalties for leaving, you would just keep resetting until you got the perfect RNG.

[Tristin]

Originally posted by Grandork:

... It should be obvious, no? The reason you get penalized for leaving ranked is because it's RNG based game. If there were no penalties for leaving, you would just keep resetting until you got the perfect RNG.

You seem to be missing the point here.

[Pomptime]

I think it's some kind of asynchronous multiplayer. I assume you play vs ppl profiles who got the same amount of wins as you.

[Ikarus]

i think its same round number as you with a similar rank - not really sure how the rank is influencing it exactly though.

you can always take your time and have a day off in your run and continue it. it doesn't matter. conceding gives a minus since you are always intended to continue your run. maybe someone knows better how conceding matches up vs losing every fight in the mmr. maybe it's just the same as losing every following round until you die.

but yeah its asynchronous - which means it just saved people backpacks. if you are unlucky you face early on boards that have no economy (pig) and face later on people who had in the early stages 3-4 pigs and have just more stuff on the board.

you basically can't target any specific board since you never know what you are facing. if you are unlucky you are facing a board that can destroy you at any point.

[Jurikeh]

Im not positive on how the opponent pool works, but your not playing against another player in that moment in time. Just against a snapshot of a player with im assuming either similar wins, wins/losses, and/or rating.

So while being afk/leaving doesn't negatively impact anyone else, like grandork stated, people would just leave every time they got bad rng in the first few stages if there were no penalties.

[Supa]

But you don't get penalty? The game asks if you want to continue when you come back to avoid any penalties.

[Tristin]

So this would mean the higher rank you get, the more boring it will get. This is because game will use more winning backpack into pools, the higher rank you become. Meaning while you will still have the RNG shop item to buy, opponent will always have the advantage of winning. At the very least, first half the game, player should have chance to win.

This is the fallacy of the game, where you'd want to play as online, the higher you go, the higher it doesn't feel like it.

Regardless, it is not online pvp. There's no urgency, to call it so.

I doubt there will be aged(long play time) player base at this concept in the long run.

Don't get me wrong. Without a doubt, this is a good game. Just saying it won't go far for each player. For a game life to last long, people need to play with a person, not a bot. Yes, its a bot when set of something is created with overall analysis gathering. Its not online pvp.

[Broseidon]

it's probably just a snapshot of the build of a player that had the same win/loss ratio or the same ranking, it's not like you can influence the fight after organizing your backpack, so it really doesn't matter when you fight them.

and to the above: what do you mean a bot? it's a build made by a player, the actual fight never had player inputs, so there is literally no difference.

the only question is, how long is a player in the pool? can multiple people fight the same character? does it get removed after it's defeated? is it in the pool for an hour? a day? could you RNG into the same fight multiple times?
as far as i experienced, there were no repeats for me, so all good.

[tiamats4esgares]

I assume it's similar to like Hearthstone's Arena. When you win, that means someone else is losing. You play against them in real time. But you can take your time because there's not like brackets or something.

Doesn't seem that confusing to me.

[Surfinite]

Originally posted by tiamats4esgares:

When you win, that means someone else is losing.

That is not correct. I'd hazard a guess that it's impossible for the backpack you're playing against to also play against you. If not impossible, then extremely unlikely. You're playing against a backpack that someone uploaded in the past at a time when you hadn't submitted your build for that turn yet.
When your opponent fought (against someone else) they may well have won, even if you then win against them.

Originally posted by tiamats4esgares:

You play against them in real time

It depends what you mean by real time. Its real time for you I suppose, but its not "Real Time" where someone else is watching their build lose and yours win at exactly the same time.

It's called asynchronous multiplayer. Super Auto Pets did the same thing.

I'd enjoy seeing stats on how well my build does against all the other players it gets pitted against while I'm not playing the game.

[tiamats4esgares]

Originally posted by Surfinite:

Originally posted by tiamats4esgares:

When you win, that means someone else is losing.

That is not correct. I'd hazard a guess that it's impossible for the backpack you're playing against to also play against you. If not impossible, then extremely unlikely. You're playing against a backpack that someone uploaded in the past at a time when you hadn't submitted your build for that turn yet.
When your opponent fought (against someone else) they may well have won, even if you then win against them.

Originally posted by tiamats4esgares:

You play against them in real time

It depends what you mean by real time. Its real time for you I suppose, but its not "Real Time" where someone else is watching their build lose and yours win at exactly the same time.

It's called asynchronous multiplayer. Super Auto Pets did the same thing.

I'd enjoy seeing stats on how well my build does against all the other players it gets pitted against while I'm not playing the game.

I was just guessing, like everyone else, but guessing differently. (And hoping.) I've played a game with Asynchronous PvP before (Elements: The Game, at least one of its modes) and I didn't like it as much. :(

But you seem to actually know. So thanks for the info. Everyone else just seems to be guessing. *shrug*

[TheHairz]

Originally posted by Surfinite:

Originally posted by tiamats4esgares:

When you win, that means someone else is losing.

That is not correct. I'd hazard a guess that it's impossible for the backpack you're playing against to also play against you. If not impossible, then extremely unlikely. You're playing against a backpack that someone uploaded in the past at a time when you hadn't submitted your build for that turn yet.
When your opponent fought (against someone else) they may well have won, even if you then win against them.

Originally posted by tiamats4esgares:

You play against them in real time

It depends what you mean by real time. Its real time for you I suppose, but its not "Real Time" where someone else is watching their build lose and yours win at exactly the same time.

It's called asynchronous multiplayer. Super Auto Pets did the same thing.

I'd enjoy seeing stats on how well my build does against all the other players it gets pitted against while I'm not playing the game.

I'd love to see the stats of my builds against others when they fight it as well. That would be pretty awesome.

[NeverUsedID]

For me that whole idea sounds like a social experiment and not real pvp. You will never know anything about your opponent. It could be even possible that the AI decides that time for a win again to hold you in the game.

I played 2 ranked rounds now and won them with around losing 1-2 hearts. i do not know anything about the opponents so i just can can be really luckey or the ai decides that winning 2 rounds would be nice to hold me in the game.