Dragon Nest is not Op.

[Mehno]

As said above, I think the meta stil needs to settle and some people cry too loud without thinking about the game.
The Dragon Nest is Strong because of its constant healing (among reliable dmg and debuffs) but it falls completely flat if you just deny them healing, like many other builds do as well.
I have 2 new Screenshots now that show a pretty easy setup that essentially works with every weapon.

The answer is basically just Gemstones and Cap of Discomfort. Its not hard to reduce their healing to zero.

[DarkRagnar]

Personally, I am tired of having to roll gemstones for every build to counter dragon spammers. Even with a small amount of dragons, they can kill a lot of builds or bleed lives before you get a setup to counter them.

[Olliff]

Also heart of darkness. I do think dragon nest is extremely strong in low ranks, but becomes less used for pyro the higher ago, especially lantern or banner.

[⫷𝓰𝔂𝓴𝓸1⫸]

Ye ye... it's cool and all.... but.... you should have some luck to find helms and other stuff.

P.S Speaking of op. Double axe is op on berserker! I mean.... you don't have a screenshot of other classes were you make the same build. But ye! Dragons is op! Im myself playing pyromancer and im always dieing from dragons! xD No brains gaming....

[ocefur]

no brains gaming yes. but that doesn't make it op. besides eddy is still in street fighter and never came off that op to me either. sometimes its ok to have a button mash character to pull in new players who don't have the time to alway play. If your gonna cry over these players than your probably one of them trying to force too much.

[TripSin]

Run amythysts and caps all day, turn their healing way way down, but they still have ridiculous hasted damage on top of it.

[ptirodaktill]

I trough it was op, but playing around Pyro i`d say its the weakest sublclass item. Stacking expensive dragons leave you naked and vulnerale to any build and your dmg output is not so hot compared to burst builds.

[ocefur]

what does hasted damage have to do with the dragon nest vs pyro?? most of your qualms stem from your hatred with pyro. which is fine since pyro as a whole should be nerfed. I just don't think your taking a fair standing against the dragon nest. in any other class it wouldn't be op.
second though if they gave to the reaper it would be op. imagine that and the upgraded whelps with no new dragons. with no other dragons would you still be calling for dragon nest on the chopping block.

[ptirodaktill]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3182344080
I`m not sure why that item will be OP on any class, including ranger. It take a lot of space and litteraly do nothing unless you spam dragons, but spamming dragons is usualy a bad idea.

[Mehno]

Originally posted by TripSin:

Run amythysts and caps all day, turn their healing way way down, but they still have ridiculous hasted damage on top of it.

Nah, their dmg isnt actually that great as long as its not hasted into oblivion and even that is counterable with Chain-Whip for example. (Also pretty consistent)

[Mehno]

Originally posted by ⫷𝓰𝔂𝓴𝓸1⫸:

Ye ye... it's cool and all.... but.... you should have some luck to find helms and other stuff.

P.S Speaking of op. Double axe is op on berserker! I mean.... you don't have a screenshot of other classes were you make the same build. But ye! Dragons is op! Im myself playing pyromancer and im always dieing from dragons! xD No brains gaming....

Its actually mega easy to find Box of riches and also making at least one Cap of Discomfort.
Also I dont know what you are talking about with your second paragraph because of grammar but of course I dont need more screenshots of other classes. Its literally just Box of Riches and Cap of Discomfort. You can do that with every class in pretty much every build pretty easily. (And it doesnt even have to be as excessive as I did it)

[ocefur]

its pretty funny though the whelps get a huge nerf and people still want it erased from their minds. need confirmation but all shields block ranged weapons??? if its just the sun shield than that just makes the pyro stronger. shields were nerfed too strong in the demo if no one is using them. try running one and you might find your survival go up. the dragon nest has counters.

[Milo]

Originally posted by ocefur:

its pretty funny though the whelps get a huge nerf and people still want it erased from their minds. need confirmation but all shields block ranged weapons??? if its just the sun shield than that just makes the pyro stronger. shields were nerfed too strong in the demo if no one is using them. try running one and you might find your survival go up. the dragon nest has counters.

Basic shield usually block only melee, combine shield in most case also block range damage.
You can see on the shield itself if it block only melee or melee and range.

Thing is not all build can easily build 5-7 gems into armor that they don't necesaryly have.
Beserker is one of the class that you can go no brain gems with it. Don't take me wrong gems are really strong. But at the same time you see nobody build to counter spike/ regain / vampire. It was one of the strong item in demo (Ripsawblade) and now it barely play.

Most of the new thing that you want it or not are unbalanced, a few are underpower
(Aka cryomancer because of the low roll change to get anything)
But just the heat mechanic itself make pyro stupidly strong. Getting 100% activation rate on everything... yeah <-< tottaly not strong.

Plus if you have to play anti heal to expect winning diamond+ lobby because it filled with pyro. Then yeah it broken. Because you litteraly build 100% of your build to counter 1 class.... and only that class.

What about poison, how many armor you have to socket both green and purple gems ? You don,t. Because you dont need to have that much poison defense and even whitout countering the build you can still win.

Even then pyro dragon can also applied a lot of poison finish with more than 60 poison stack while healing over 300-400 and doing raw damage all with a few dragon pet. You take a reaper, they maybe applied more than 100 poison with potion burst but they do almost no raw damage and doesn't really heal either, they maybe have some armor to survive a little bit more but dragon is still full life again them because they regain more hp than they take poison so they dont even have to think about countering poison build in most case. Reaper should just run all their money into gem plus their potion plus the repaer scyther or two just to do less than 3 dragon worth of dragon. That why pyro are broken. Not just pet but heat in general make them overpower by itself.

But there even more busted heat focus build for pyro with goobert and burning blade. Those build reach 100+ heat easily in less than 10s giving an insane +200+% activation rate, creating more heat and healing even more like crazy while giving an absurd amout of damage and activation rate to the weapon putting the weapon itself to insane dps with like 200+ dps, all you need is a wolfpetinger to almost pay the stamina cost.

You can easily reach diamond with no braining pyro/beserker.
There also a reason why you mostly see pyro 60% pyro - 30% berserker - 10% other class (mostly ranger beastmaster)

I think I saw a single reaper in diamond in my entire game.

[ptirodaktill]

Originally posted by Marrow:

OP is clueless.

Dragon requires zero thinking. You buy every dragon that pops up, put 6 near a nest, and put dragons in every other slot that they will fit. There is zero downside to just spamming dragons in every slot. Zero arranging required. No stamina to attack? of course that was going to be broken. Emerald dragons put up more poison than dedicated poison builds, while healing you, that's crazy. Amethyst wipes out every buff your opponent has the second it pops up, while healing you. Horribly designed and OP clearly loves using this build for free wins.

Dragons are expensive and most of them simply don`t worth the money asked for. You won`t see much of dragon nests in diamond + cause they fail to deal with 3 most popular builds in the game right now - double axe, poisonbomb and rat spam.

[Balm]

haste is a broken stat in general, needs a rework