So reaper is just way better than ranger right

[Sverd]

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Ranger's luck build gimmick is significantly and noticeably worse than a Reaper posion build. They've got less options and the darkwood staff is way better than the critwood staff. The Vampiric Lock is way better than anything Ranger has on its own. Not to say that rangers can't beat reapers, but the reaper class has a clear advantage.

[Legendairy Cow]

As someone who only plays Ranger, you're overreacting.

[Sverd]

Originally posted by Legendairy Cow:

As someone who only plays Ranger, you're overreacting.

idk man. I've got gold in both now and I play about both equally. My experience is reaper is way easier

[Sigmund Void]

Originally posted by Sverd:

Originally posted by Legendairy Cow:

As someone who only plays Ranger, you're overreacting.

idk man. I've got gold in both now and I play about both equally. My experience is reaper is way easier

Bruh, you're in gold - most likely you didn't have to optimize builds yet.


Even if reaper is easier to get going, one can't judge balane until they mostly optimized both.

[Calico Kitten]

I mean ranger has some food synergy and high damage crit builds. Outside that I agree completely. Diamond so far with reaper. Plat with Ranger. I do think both are playable but I enjoy reaper more, it feels stronger, and seems to have a bit more build variety.

[Gum Cuzzler]

The difference in starting items is huge - unlike other autobattlers, the cost of a lost round starts at maximum here. Every round you lose is a full value loss, so you can't afford to throw early rounds. Reaper's start makes them very difficult to itemize effectively vs the ranger start.

On top of that, ranger's item spread solves a much wider variety of problems, having both strong offensive and defensive subclass choices, and having base luck crit scaling makes the class a much bigger comeback threat - you can absolutely win rounds you should've lost on a crit. Obviously, this shouldn't be your goal - but given that every loss matters, any way to hedge your bets should be considered relevant.

Reaper does have some cool openers via early hammer into stacking daggers to flex into mana or leech, but you can say the same about ranger - guaranteed access to wooden sword lets you scale into weapon damage via hero sword very consistently, and gives them a much better chance at getting to crossblades if you're going that route.

I think there's a much stronger argument for ranger than people imagine. They're both very good.

All of this is ignoring items and builds - you can build pretty much anything on either class. In fact, I think endgame ranger has a substantial advantage.

[Kyotosomo]

Reaper is DRASTICALLY better in most stages of the game, there are Ranger builds that can counter her builds but they require a lot of luck getting the right items fast.

[Bumc]

Rangers have higher ceiling and better first 1-3 rounds (whetstones + swords start is practically impossible to beat after the shields nerf), the midgame is where they suffer no matter the build path you choose.

[_T_]

Personally, after playing them roughly 50/50, I'm mid diamond with reaper and mid plat with ranger, so in my view reaper is overall definitely stronger. That being said, I'm going to disagree with some here, because IMO reaper's biggest strength is in the early game. You can almost always throw together something powerful enough to avoid most early losses if you keep an open mind and prioritize immediate power. With ranger, the good early options are more limited, so a lot of games you will start 2-3 lives down at no real fault of yours.

In the midgame, I'd say they are about equal (it's honestly hard to say, since there are so many options that are strong in their own ways), and by lategame I suspect ranger is a little bit stronger on average. But dying with 9 wins is a lot better than dying with 3 wins, and at least your final build isn't up to a couple RNG rolls, so you have real agency in maximizing your chances.

All that being said, I feel overall the balance isn't that bad. For an early demo, it's better than many released games I've played over the years. You can play either class and have plenty of viable build options. Expecting the devs to spend their time carefully perfecting the balance when half the damn classes aren't even in the game is just silly (since, y'know, it'll all go out the window when they are released...)

[Fireman]

Yes reaper is better than ranger
Not all mecanics/items are in the game
Not all classes are in the game
Right now it's Ranger vs Reaper and just the starting bag reaper has an advantage from the get go no matter what you play you'll trigger the bag unlike ranger that requires Luck/weapon

[Showtimedr]

I'm a Diamond Ranger about to build up my Plat Reaper to diamond. You can say it's "much better" but clearly you can overcome it even if it is. Reaper gets smashed early game by non brain dead rangers. Late game reapers can be challenging but it's up to you to build something that can sustain and survive.

[Near]

Originally posted by Sverd:

Title

Ranger's luck build gimmick is significantly and noticeably worse than a Reaper posion build. They've got less options and the darkwood staff is way better than the critwood staff. The Vampiric Lock is way better than anything Ranger has on its own. Not to say that rangers can't beat reapers, but the reaper class has a clear advantage.

nah, id rather say reaper is easier to get through the earlygame, but the endgame cap is lower. im pretty certain that the most 17 + 18 wins boards are rangers cuz the crit cap with sapphires setup is so strong. but reaper just gets more consistendly to 13-15 wins because his earlygame is stronger and he gets to roll more gold sacrificing 2-3 lifes at turn 6-8 for a working mid-lategame board whilst most rangers hit round 6-8 with 3 or less lifes

[LowRoll]

From the poll i saw there seems to be an equal number of players who think both classes are strongest. Seems fine to me.

[NOBITON]

I've hit master on ranger and grand master on reaper this patch, I felt like climbing with ranger to diamond was way too harder than climbing with reaper to grand master.
I guess ranger's early game or class bag should be buffed, or reaper's coffin should be nerfed...

[ptirodaktill]

Coffin is really good early on, especialy with the new pandemonium. But after round 7-8 poison setups just fail to deliver. Late game i have no idea how to counter a stacket crossblade ranger with psapfire+good setup.