Demonic Flask is a bit underwhelming

[Furio]

I don't understand why the flask is Godly rarity. If you build around it and can stack some 60+ debuffs on your opponent it's only 20 damage. Seems really poor for such an expensive item.

I understand it's a component to build other items which could justify the rarity, but imo the potion effect could be ramped up a lot.

Has anyone successfully and consistently incorporated it in a potion stacking build?

[Bumc]

keep in mind that potions look really underwhelming because they don't go off once.
A 4stack of potions on a double 5cost bag procs every potion ~3 times, and with death scythes your main poison bag is ~90 on its own.

That being said, demonic flasks are ridiculously expensive, and even in a one-shot flask build they slot in very last as luxury pieces.

[Furio]

Originally posted by Bumc:

A 4stack of potions on a double 5cost bag procs every potion ~3 times, and with death scythes your main poison bag is ~90 on its own.

But even in that "difficult to achieve" build you would much still rather have a 4th poison flask than 3 poison flasks and a Demonic Flask.

I just don't understand the balance reasons for it to only be 0,3 per debuff.

[Halko]

Well considering the nearly absurd amount of debuff stacking you can do if it were too high it would basically just delete half their health when it went off. I honestly view the potion as less of an important item to actually use and more of an important item that you buy as a tax to build other items you want like the staff or darksaber. Not every item has to be viable in its own right after all. Its perfectly reasonable for the entire existence of an item to simply be as a material to make another. Its a bit of a sad way to think about things though.

[Near]

Originally posted by Furio:

I don't understand why the flask is Godly rarity. If you build around it and can stack some 60+ debuffs on your opponent it's only 20 damage. Seems really poor for such an expensive item.

I understand it's a component to build other items which could justify the rarity, but imo the potion effect could be ramped up a lot.

Has anyone successfully and consistently incorporated it in a potion stacking build?

HUH,
google "potionbomb", thats one of the most seen 15+ wins comps in diamond and above, and you literally buy EVERY demonic you can get, and that ♥♥♥♥ can deal 500+ burstdmg my man :DD its probably the most disgusting potion in this comp. some items are just specific, but with that comp you can stack 100+ poision at first second and trigger the demonic potions via armorpotion triggers to instandly go off too lol

[Near]

Originally posted by Furio:

Originally posted by Bumc:

A 4stack of potions on a double 5cost bag procs every potion ~3 times, and with death scythes your main poison bag is ~90 on its own.

But even in that "difficult to achieve" build you would much still rather have a 4th poison flask than 3 poison flasks and a Demonic Flask.

I just don't understand the balance reasons for it to only be 0,3 per debuff.

WDYM difficult to archive, i spammed my way close to grandmaster with potionbombing on witch lol, the one downside on the game is, that forcing certain endgamecomps is just too easy if you know how to pivot into them. i literally lock every demonic potion, no woy you dont buy these in potionbombs. (to be fair tho, thats pretty much the only comp using them)

[Furio]

Originally posted by Near:

WDYM difficult to archive

I mean that I can't even force a hammer when I need it. I consider it near impossible to get 4+ Demonic Flasks. Espcially in the early rounds.

I understand that there was a feature in a previous version where you were less likely to get an item you already had. Maybe it was possible back then. It's probably a lot more random now.

[Near]

Originally posted by Furio:

Originally posted by Near:

WDYM difficult to archive

I mean that I can't even force a hammer when I need it. I consider it near impossible to get 4+ Demonic Flasks. Espcially in the early rounds.

I understand that there was a feature in a previous version where you were less likely to get an item you already had. Maybe it was possible back then. It's probably a lot more random now.

i mean i just played 4 rounds with double scyte potionbomb with 3+ demonics in every run, again WDYM not forcable, then manage your econ and dont junk your inventory and shops when your shopchance is equaling the rarity you serch for :D

[WerWulf]

I got deleted by 5 demon flasks on a poison build in like a few seconds

[Near]

Originally posted by WerWulf:

I got deleted by 5 demon flasks on a poison build in like a few seconds

thats what poison bomb does lol, demonic flask IMO is underwhelming in most comps, but drastically overtuned an poisonbomb, so please do not buff this. not every flask has to be playable in every comp IMO.

[Halko]

Yup it has one niche and its pretty hard to pull off really so id call it ok for now. Unless some meta shifts when the crystal gets nerfed and people start abusing it there isnt a whole lot wrong with it. Just gotta remember that balance is just a giant game of whack a mole really. Something bad happens that you gotta slap but as soon as you do something else pops up and sometimes a hole never pops up so you help it out a bit only for it to fly into the ceiling. Its how things go.

[Near]

Originally posted by Halko:

Yup it has one niche and its pretty hard to pull off really so id call it ok for now. Unless some meta shifts when the crystal gets nerfed and people start abusing it there isnt a whole lot wrong with it. Just gotta remember that balance is just a giant game of whack a mole really. Something bad happens that you gotta slap but as soon as you do something else pops up and sometimes a hole never pops up so you help it out a bit only for it to fly into the ceiling. Its how things go.

at diamond+ elo poisonbomb is 80% of the 14+ wins loadouts my man, poisionbomb is really not that hard to pull off if you know how to transition from an earlygameboard like pan+veggies. but ye, id still think its fine to have nieche potions and items, thats what makes diversity

[FurthestBen]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3060248369
I beg to differ... In platinum today and just encountered this monster. I exploded.

[Near]

Originally posted by FurthestBen:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3060248369
I beg to differ... In platinum today and just encountered this monster. I exploded.

and be sure the monsters you see in higher elo are even worse :DD

https://imgur.com/a/fIzthQm

just a run from right now, i only have a single demonic yet, and with potionbelt and doubletrigger ( yes i see i ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up the poison placement cuz i was talking while playing LOL) that thing will trigger multiple times. the moment i get 3-4 of those ill literally clap 1k dmg in a second :D

[Draco18s]

Originally posted by Near:

and be sure the monsters you see in higher elo are even worse :DD

I fought one like that today too.
Not exactly, but fight ended with them still having 100+ armor.

Start of the fight, plus end of the log (fight lasted over 30 seconds, they lost due to the 29 fatigue dropping them below 0; I still had ~50 hp left).

https://steamcommunity.com/id/Draco18s/screenshot/2140958177110369488/

[Halko]

Originally posted by FurthestBen:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3060248369
I beg to differ... In platinum today and just encountered this monster. I exploded.

Well the fact that they are sitting on 15 hp shows they arent THAT broken. You were a single lucky crit or a tiny amount of attack speed away from blowing them out of the water. Ya sure the combo is pretty nuts but as long as there is a bit of risk in it actually going off there isnt much wrong with it really. Not to mention when the inevitable rebalance of the corrupted crystal you probably cant actually survive with half your inventory full of potions with only a single piece of armor with a crystal in it.