Has this game been abandoned by devs?

[Montiness]

Just that, I've noticed nothing's happened here for quite some time. Is the game dead or does it really need no fixes?

[Vazkulator]

Originally posted by Montiness:

Just that, I've noticed nothing's happened here for quite some time. Is the game dead or does it really need no fixes?

long time ago, they milked the ♥♥♥♥ out of this game to make sure that as much people as possible bought the game on consoles before they abandoned the game to start a sequel.

leaving the game with all its bugs and features that needed fixing badly and expects
the consoomers just so buy the sequel as well anyway

[Montiness]

Sorry to ask, what's the sequel?

[Vazkulator]

Originally posted by Montiness:

Sorry to ask, what's the sequel?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QgeS5dUiOc
its probably going to be the exact same game on a different engine and attempt at making
a real story this time that takes place +20 years later or something to make space for all
these lore enthusiasts and people who wanted female characters

[Montiness]

Thank you, although not out either, so guessing another 3 years in testing / early release to look forward to.

[AimsKey]

Vaz tends to be on the negative (and argumentative side), so i will give the positive side. Yes it has been abandoned, but its not as bad as he would have you believe, like they never did any work or years to patch and just "milked it". The team started with just 4-5 devs and £125k loan, increasing to 11 devs and tbh, they have done really good for that small a team. It was patched all the time (weekly/monthly) for about 5 years. Most of the remaining bugs people talk about are NOT game breaking, but annoying for some people, personally they are so avoidable or dont matter, i dont care. Arrows changing type in the arrow basket seems to be a big one, when i keep thinking... so dont use them then lol. You can carry like 30-40 arrows (this doesnt affect how much other things you can carry) and make more on the fly from your inventory. Things stop working on rafts... well dont live on one, hiding away from cannibals, get on the LAND and fight, then it wont break, etc etc. Suit cases respawn and so are exploitable. If you care so much, DONT abuse it. See what i mean? Other bugs like animals going out of view distance, disappear altogether, can be annoying survival players and isnt avoidable though. So there are ones you cant avoid, but again they arent so bad you cant play.

Many people play the game simply for the coop fun, whilst a minority play it for solo survival. The story is almost a secondary to the way people actually play, IF they ever even finish the story. The story itself is very loosely written, in that you dont have to go from point to point to carry on playing. I could literally skip to ending with 1 story item and the plane axe, you start with. Over the 4-5 years from Early Access to Release and some extra content after release. Then diversifying to VR and PS4. Its been fun watching it grow. Me and my friends came back every other patch to see the new content and just have fun playing again. We all have hundreds of hours play time.

As for the next game, IF it comes to Early Access again, i can only surmise the same 4-5 years development again yes. If it doesnt, then i can only guess it wont be ready for years until v1.0 release, with maybe a Beta test release? Only they know. :)

[Vazkulator]

Originally posted by Jamesfle:

Vaz tends to be on the negative (and argumentative side), so i will give the positive side. Yes it has been abandoned, but its not as bad as he would have you believe, like they never did any work or years to patch and just "milked it". The team started with just 4-5 devs and £125k loan, increasing to 11 devs and tbh, they have done really good for that small a team. It was patched all the time (weekly/monthly) for about 5 years. Most of the remaining bugs people talk about are NOT game breaking, but annoying for some people, personally they are so avoidable or dont matter, i dont care. Arrows changing type in the arrow basket seems to be a big one, when i keep thinking... so dont use them then lol. You can carry like 30-40 arrows (this doesnt affect how much other things you can carry) and make more on the fly from your inventory. Things stop working on rafts... well dont live on one, hiding away from cannibals, get on the LAND and fight, then it wont break, etc etc. Suit cases respawn and so are exploitable. If you care so much, DONT abuse it. See what i mean? Other bugs like animals going out of view distance, disappear altogether, can be annoying survival players and isnt avoidable though. So there are ones you cant avoid, but again they arent so bad you cant play.

Many people play the game simply for the coop fun, whilst a minority play it for solo survival. The story is almost a secondary to the way people actually play, IF they ever even finish the story. The story itself is very loosely written, in that you dont have to go from point to point to carry on playing. I could literally skip to ending with 1 story item and the plane axe, you start with. Over the 4-5 years from Early Access to Release and some extra content after release. Then diversifying to VR and PS4. Its been fun watching it grow. Me and my friends came back every other patch to see the new content and just have fun playing again. We all have hundreds of hours play time.

As for the next game, IF it comes to Early Access again, i can only surmise the same 4-5 years development again yes. If it doesnt, then i can only guess it wont be ready for years until v1.0 release, with maybe a Beta test release? Only they know. :)

of course ill be on the negative side if the devs choose to ♥♥♥♥ their fanbase over, they made plenty enough of profits to at least have enough to patch up the most critical bugs and flawed features of the game to at least feel like they can be proud of their craft and at least couldve tried to reach out to the community and speak out about their next project or why things arent happening but instead they chose to intentionally "milk out" what was left of the game and keeping their fanbase in the dark while at least a good 10+ youtubers are making a living out of streaming, providing feedback and making content out of their game which is practically 100%
free publicity which they dont even cover at all.

imagine just how little it wouldve required from their side both to keep a very loyal fanbase which they used to have if not all the fans who sympathized with them "being a small group of developers chasing their dream" before all of their success and to simply announce a sequel very humbly once the game was in a decent condition without some of the most major bugs
or flawed features

[LostManAbroad]

Vaz, you are talking out of your ass.

Originally posted by Vazkulator:

the devs choose to ♥♥♥♥ their fanbase over

No they didn't, they provide their players with a great game with some amazing elements to it and a completed storyline. I personally have 441 hours in The Forest and now I have a VR headset so the game has been renewed for me and I'm playing it all over again from the start. 441 hours of gameplay for 20€. It costs 15€ to go see a 2 hour movie in a cinema where I live.

Originally posted by Vazkulator:

they made plenty enough of profits to at least have enough to patch up the most critical bugs and flawed features of the game to at least feel like they can be proud of their craft

Again, talking from your rectum!! Where is your proof? Do you have access to the developers accounts? How do you know how much they made? You don't, you are just guessing and whining about something you have no actual concrete information about.

As for the "critical bugs", what critical bugs? Be specific. I've been playing for 441 hours and I can tell you, even in VR, I have yet to find a game breaking bug left behind. Sure there are some annoying little visual bugs but "critical bugs"? You need you head over the toilet because you are talking s**t.

Originally posted by Vazkulator:

instead they chose to intentionally "milk out" what was left of the game and keeping their fanbase in the dark while at least a good 10+ youtubers are making a living out of streaming, providing feedback and making content out of their game which is practically 100% free publicity which they don't even cover at all.

Firstly, you don't know what you are talking about. The developers have milked nothing. They created a good game and they listened to their fans. I have been with this game since it came out and I have had direct responses from developers regarding suggestions that I have made.

Secondly, they didn't keep their fanbase in the dark. They have a suggestions section to this forum specifically for the fans to provide them with posts about what they want to see. I'd bet good money that the developers have saved up a whole bunch of suggestions made that were not possible in this game for technical reasons that will be included in the next.

And finally, mentioning that they are getting free publicity from YouTubers is one of the dumbest comments I've ever seen in a post. Very few YouTubers actually get paid by even the large AAA games companies out there and you are whining because an 11 man developer team are not paying YouTubers. Besides, any YouTuber who is being paid by the company they are making videos about have no credibility because it is in their interest to make the game look good even if it isn't. You cannot trust the review of a YouTuber being paid by the game company.

There is nothing wrong with posting a reply that criticises developers but at least research your arguments first and make sure they have some element of fact to them. Everything you have written comes across as a person who probably wasn't very good at the game so you are taking out your frustration on the developers without even one iota of research.

[Vazkulator]

Originally posted by LostManAbroad:

Vaz, you are talking out of your ass.

Originally posted by Vazkulator:

the devs choose to ♥♥♥♥ their fanbase over

No they didn't, they provide their players with a great game with some amazing elements to it and a completed storyline. I personally have 441 hours in The Forest and now I have a VR headset so the game has been renewed for me and I'm playing it all over again from the start. 441 hours of gameplay for 20€. It costs 15€ to go see a 2 hour movie in a cinema where I live.

Originally posted by Vazkulator:

they made plenty enough of profits to at least have enough to patch up the most critical bugs and flawed features of the game to at least feel like they can be proud of their craft

Again, talking from your rectum!! Where is your proof? Do you have access to the developers accounts? How do you know how much they made? You don't, you are just guessing and whining about something you have no actual concrete information about.

As for the "critical bugs", what critical bugs? Be specific. I've been playing for 441 hours and I can tell you, even in VR, I have yet to find a game breaking bug left behind. Sure there are some annoying little visual bugs but "critical bugs"? You need you head over the toilet because you are talking s**t.

Originally posted by Vazkulator:

instead they chose to intentionally "milk out" what was left of the game and keeping their fanbase in the dark while at least a good 10+ youtubers are making a living out of streaming, providing feedback and making content out of their game which is practically 100% free publicity which they don't even cover at all.

Firstly, you don't know what you are talking about. The developers have milked nothing. They created a good game and they listened to their fans. I have been with this game since it came out and I have had direct responses from developers regarding suggestions that I have made.

Secondly, they didn't keep their fanbase in the dark. They have a suggestions section to this forum specifically for the fans to provide them with posts about what they want to see. I'd bet good money that the developers have saved up a whole bunch of suggestions made that were not possible in this game for technical reasons that will be included in the next.

And finally, mentioning that they are getting free publicity from YouTubers is one of the dumbest comments I've ever seen in a post. Very few YouTubers actually get paid by even the large AAA games companies out there and you are whining because an 11 man developer team are not paying YouTubers. Besides, any YouTuber who is being paid by the company they are making videos about have no credibility because it is in their interest to make the game look good even if it isn't. You cannot trust the review of a YouTuber being paid by the game company.

There is nothing wrong with posting a reply that criticises developers but at least research your arguments first and make sure they have some element of fact to them. Everything you have written comes across as a person who probably wasn't very good at the game so you are taking out your frustration on the developers without even one iota of research.

gotta love how youre implying that im talking out of my *** when youre citing bits and pieces of what ive said by then bgin talking about something so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ irrelevant such as speaking of anything from your hours played, vr headset and worse as if youre actually making a point at all.

learn to summarize and reread your post before posting, lmao wut

dehydrated much ?

[AimsKey]

In your reply to me, i actually agree with most of it, other than our opinions of bugs and flaws. Yes there are some though. Endnight Games do need more communication. That is not to reply to everyone personally, but why not be the same as many other game indie dev companies. Give little bits of news, teasers, etc and votes on things. So that rather than direct player interaction, they can tell whats important from the questions they put in a vote or what they read in the comments section. Although the "read the comments from the shadows" was happening in this game, by at least the Community Manager, he only replied on the Bug forums. I wish there was more interactions, like peoples feelings on the worm. A simple vote with options would have been a great indication for them how to reform or balance it. Think of the possibilities of Questions you could get answered easily. Obviously dont need to vote every single action, but just the ones they feel might be of controversy or "which of {these} would you like us to add to the game". Just once a month and off they go to work on it and continue what they were doing anyway. I know its hard for many companies to interact though with the amount of abuse and floods of comments, but things like votes can minimise the interaction whilst still getting the answers they wanted in short form. Anyway, have to wait see what happens...

[LostManAbroad]

Originally posted by Vazkulator:

gotta love how youre implying that im talking out of my *** when youre citing bits and pieces of what ive said by then bgin talking about something so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ irrelevant such as speaking of anything from your hours played, vr headset and worse as if youre actually making a point at all.

learn to summarize and reread your post before posting, lmao wut

dehydrated much ?

I'd respond to what you are saying if I actually understood any of what you just wrote. Might want to polish up on your use of the English language. I'm done with this thread, you simply don't have the intelligence to have this discussion and I have better things to do. Reply, don't reply. I'm unsubscribing from this conversation now anyway so I won't see it.

[Vazkulator]

Originally posted by LostManAbroad:

Originally posted by Vazkulator:

gotta love how youre implying that im talking out of my *** when youre citing bits and pieces of what ive said by then bgin talking about something so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ irrelevant such as speaking of anything from your hours played, vr headset and worse as if youre actually making a point at all.

learn to summarize and reread your post before posting, lmao wut

dehydrated much ?

I'd respond to what you are saying if I actually understood any of what you just wrote. Might want to polish up on your use of the English language. I'm done with this thread, you simply don't have the intelligence to have this discussion and I have better things to do. Reply, don't reply. I'm unsubscribing from this conversation now anyway so I won't see it.

are you referring to typo for begin where i wrote bgin ? yeah, i dont think all the polishing of the finest english could ever help your reading comprehension or help you understand how completely irrelevant your message is while citing something else entirely

maye you should go look up what your hours played or what your vr actually means to you, this topic or anyone else for that matter and maybe we could actually understand eachother

or whatever the ♥♥♥♥ it is that you assume to accomplish with your vr goggles, good luck

[Montiness]

Arguing or not, doesn't change the fact that the game hasn't been updated since the release trailer of Sons of The Forest, so the original statement of abandoning the fanbase is valid. coming up to 8 months without fixes / updates when a community spent years funding the development to get everything fixed is, technically, ****ing over the fanbase.

[AimsKey]

Which game developers who bring out a sequel doesnt. ;)

[Vazkulator]

Originally posted by Jamesfle:

Which game developers who bring out a sequel doesnt. ;)

consoom

[Just Aaron]

I wonder if people post threads like this on the Tetris forum. Has Tetris been abandoned by the developers? Is Tetris a dead game? Such a ridiculous question to be asking. This game was released years ago. Why would anyone expect updates? I mean it would be nice but only a crazy person would be expecting it. The games finished and the developers moved on to their next game like any developer would.