Water kills?!

[Kosm1cznY]

(I played on hard dificulty)
Why water takes so much HP away?!?!?! I mean it hits HP like stabing with knife!!! It is dumb!

Water from pounds should not take HP!!!! If it is salt sea water then it should gain thirst!!!! If it is dirty water from some bad source it should give parasites or some disease that takes HP away but slowly and not to much!

If for some stupid reason water is designed to kill then it should not be like hit and sound of pain. It looks like water hits from within our body! This is just idiotic. If water is some kind of poison in this game then it should reduce HP slowly like some plant adds HP slowly. And not such huge ammount of HP! Seriously I saw people drink water from big pounds and they are not dead! They had not even diarrhea etc. This game is ridiculous in terms of water. What is it really?! Is there arsenic or cyanide or what the hell?!?!?!

[Ominous187]

wtf are u talking about.. does hrdly any damage to me.. and why are u drinking dirty water? you boil it in a pot and then add it to your water sack to hold if you made one

[Andi]

Originally posted by Razier BloodBane:

wtf are u talking about

Drinking polluted water in hard survival mode i guess. But it's just how it's been handled in this game. Funny how people always compare games with real life. It's a game! If you figure it hurts, just don't do it again.
To be fair, yes it SHOULD be the way OP described, would be more realistic to get diarrhea and being weak with a huge stamina drain for a while, but the forest has pretty simplistic survival mechanics anyway, so nothing to get mad about imo.

[Ominous187]

Originally posted by Andi:

Originally posted by Razier BloodBane:

wtf are u talking about

Drinking polluted water in hard survival mode i guess. But it's just how it's been handled in this game. Funny how people always compare games with real life. It's a game! If you figure it hurts, just don't do it again.
To be fair, yes it SHOULD be the way OP described, would be more realistic to get diarrhea and being weak with a huge stamina drain for a while, but the forest has pretty simplistic survival mechanics anyway, so nothing to get mad about imo.

lol who is mad?

[Kosm1cznY]

@Andi yes I play on HARD.
So on easy it is making slight damage?! Ok on hard it is way to much insane ammount.

[Ominous187]

Originally posted by CoSm1c gAmΣr:

@Andi yes I play on HARD.
So on easy it is making slight damage?! Ok on hard it is way to much insane ammount.

hmm, i suggest easy for awhile, you can always change the settings if needed

[Kosm1cznY]

I may try it on normal to see what are the differences. As for now I know that Hard is way to OP in some aspects that makes no sense at all.

[Andi]

In normal mode it doesn't harm you at all.
Yeah, like said, it could be far better and more immersive than that, but not only the water thing. It's literally impossible to starve to death or die from thirst or diseases. There's just the infection thing wich you cure by chewing an aloe leaf and it's all good again. Could be so much more to it, but hey, it is what it is and i don't think, we'll see major changes in the future.

[Kosm1cznY]

From what I see it is not that complicated in fun way. Incoming Green Hell seem way much better. That was the reason that I had feeling to play survival game like The Forest but it is not that satysfying because it is quite simple but in some parts it lacks common sense in design.

[Andi]

In the beginning the forest was meant to be a sandbox game of some sort with horror and survival elements and it was awesome! No multiplayer, no story, just build a home and survive. Basically a stranded deep in the forest. It has changed so much over the years due to whiners the game's too hard, then it was too easy, peeps were crying for coop, a story, for console version, several difficulty modes, plus vr etc etc....
Devs listened (maybe too much) and tried hard to fulfill all (or most) wishes the community threw at them and what we have now is...well, what we have now.
The game could have been really great if they'd have stuck to their plans. Now literally every part of the game is an unfinished mess. I think devs know as well, wich explains the comparatively low price, even after full release.
You love it or you hate it. And i've to admit, i still love it! :)
It's like a son you wanted to be a manager, bringing home big money, now working at mc donalds, you still love him.
But i fully understand the disappointment of some newcomers about the lack of content.

[Kosm1cznY]

Well I was not there from the beginning so I have no idea what stages it came through. You put some light on it for me. Well and in your opinion stranded deep is good survival? It is on my wishlist. I wait for it to be more finished and maybe some sale option would be also appealing to test this game. And did you see Green Hell? In your opinion will it be the best survival game in terms of gameplay complexity? Oh and SCUM would be great base for survival games :) It seem very strong build in terms of game mechanics. Most survival games are very simplified.
I remember that I was very impressed by old game called Robinson's Requiem. IMO to this date it is the deepest game mechanics game in terms of the core of survivalism aspect.

[Andi]

I play stranded deep as well and it has some stuff i'd like to see in the forest. Bit more complex in survival, but also far from perfect and has literally no threads except for some sharks wich are ridiculously easy to kill and some poisonous stuff. But it's fun though. At least for a while. I would suggest to grab it on sale.
Haven't looked into green hell yet, so can't say much about it.
If you're looking for real hardcore survival, take a look at survisland. It's pretty new on steam.

[Kosm1cznY]

I am playing on normal mode and difference is enormous in HP reduction. Well hard mode is way to harsh in this HP penalty. On normal it is just very small amount of HP penalty for drinking unclean water while on hard it seems like some hardcore nightmare difficulty.

Well as I mentioned dirty water dont kills. Devs made huge mistake here. It should be risky to drink such water and it should have at least random penalties like parasites that SLOWLY takes HP away and I mean it would be the easiest way to make penalty for unclean water drinking instead of insta HP reduction in huge ammount in hard mode. Instead it should be percentage of chance to get parasites. There should be info like "you dont feel to well" and after another period of time we should get very slow HP reduction that can take about 12-24 in game hours to hit our HP and on harder dificulties it could be even 50% of HP but never any ammount like 50hp out of 150HP of total character HP co those parasites would not kill us even if we would have already 10HP left it would make us drop to 5HP. Or maybe combination of HP hit in worst scenarios but mainly parasites should take away our energy like 50% over random period of time. Sometimes for 10H sometimes 16 and in worst case scenarios like 2 days. So player would have to make some igredient from plants to cure this parasite disease. That would make sense and would add to gameplay. It all would deppend on how much dirty water we would consume. With small amounts it would give chance to get stomahache and would take only energy hit also in random amounts for random period of time or should be dependant on ammount we drinked. Small amounts more chance to get stomachache and slight chance to get parasites. More dirty water = more chance of parasites OR stomachache or BOTH so it would hit HP and energy.
Someone could say that it is not necessary at all but it would mean he is not into immersion at all :)