Black Sword conditions?

[framk :)]

This is what the wiki says:
Spawns on the first loop in 1-1 Desert if you bring the Chicken Sword to the Campfire area and leave it there before entering the portal.

That's not what happened.
I had, however, carried the sword mostly by tossing it through portals. Does that break the condition? Do I only have to carry it through the actual loop portal to the campfire, then toss it out going to loop desert? Do I have to literally never drop it?

[[FAUCᴇT] Psychopath]

Update 87 Black Sword's spawn conditions were to reach L1 1-1 after having and then subsequently abandoning a Chicken Sword. The Sword had to be on your character's loadout for the duration of at least 1 stage generation. This included loading 1-1 when starting a game as Chicken. This also meant that you were not able to get a Black Sword if you started with a golden weapon, and you could get the Black Sword as other characters if you utilize the proto chests.

Update 88 Black Sword's spawn conditions were changed. The new conditions were to bring Chicken Sword to L1 0-1, and then leave it there. As long as it's not on your person when L1 1-1 is loaded, the Black Sword would spawn. This was needlessly complex for a secret, as no one would reasonably be able to figure that out by accident.

Update 89 Black Sword seems to have reverted back to Update 87's conditions, although I've yet to verify if the side-effects of the generation are making a return.

[Gieron]

" More tech changes to the Chicken Sword, now properly. "

So the current Black Sword spawn condition is this:
- You have to leave Chicken Sword on area 1-1 by swapping it with a different weapon (swapping i mean picking up a different weapon and leaving Chicken Sword on the ground)
- Throwing Chicken Sword on the ground and leaving it on 1-1 doesn't count.

Here's the problem. The only way you can do this is if you RNG a weapon drop from an enemy on 1-1. You cant swap the sword if theres only one other weapon on the level right ? You will just have two weapons if theres only a Weapon Chest.

You want a Black Sword ? Restart, Restart, no weapon dropped, Restart, no weapon again, Restart, there's only Bandits on 1-1 now and they can't drop weapons, RESTART ...

This also means that if you want to play Chicken with a golden weapon = no Black Sword

[[FAUCᴇT] Psychopath]

I'd much prefer if the Black Sword's spawn conditions were to travel through a portal while headless. This way, the Black Sword's mechanics are immediately taught to the player, there's no guesswork about what makes a 12-damage sword worth having spawn in loops. And it puts the player in a dire situation to fetch health before bleeding out, so it's not just a freebie weapon drop.

[Gieron]

You finally got a weapon dropped on 1-1 but the Chicken Sword got sucked into the portal with you ? RESTART

(I'm not exaggerating here, I'm trying to get this thing to spawn and 9/10 times the game won't let me which makes me think that it's not "properly" yet)

[Gieron]

OK

So in a normal run throwing the Chicken Sword on 1-1 does work....
I tested it by teleporting straight to 7-3 and that for some reason doesn't register the throw, only a weapon swap. The throw is counter only if you go to 1-2 without a sword. Time to update the wiki derp.

Edit: If you go to oasis on 1-1 and throw the chicken sword, the black sword won't spawn. So that's bugged.

[Azul]

Originally posted by Gieron:

OK

So in a normal run throwing the Chicken Sword on 1-1 does work....
I tested it by teleporting straight to 7-3 and that for some reason doesn't register the throw, only a weapon swap. The throw is counter only if you go to 1-2 without a sword. Time to update the wiki derp.

Edit: If you go to oasis on 1-1 and throw the chicken sword, the black sword won't spawn. So that's bugged.

Man this is super convoluted, glad I know how to save edit, hue hue.