Less cursing in sequel please

[GR4V3 MIST4K3]

Sometimes the cursing just doesn't work or humor does not translate well. Being overly sarcastic is nasty enough for me?

anybody gonna +1 this?

[GR4V3 MIST4K3]

So that's a no, right?

Yeah, definately - but I still think less cursing would add more appeal to the game. Every time I hear a "f*ck" I roll my eyes. I will continue to use the forum to voice my opinion :)

My argument: Garrett from the Thief series did not need to use lewd language in order to emphasize (at least in the 1st and 2nd game).

[Migz - DH]

Garrett isn't Styx or vice versa, which is a good thing, since if every protagonist was the same, games would be pretty boring.

[ed]

For the thousandth time: swearing is not a modern invention and it would be completely ridiculous if a character like Styx spoke like a Tolkien elf or something. He's a worn, jaded old man (something that's even more emphasized in the original game, Of Orcs and Men) working as a mercenary in the absolute lowest social class of this setting, of course he's crude.

Styx looks ugly, acts ugly, and views the world as an ugly place. It's part of what makes his better moments so good.

[GR4V3 MIST4K3]

I fully agree with the ugly argument. Maybe I just am not saying it right - if they're making a sequel - I'd love to find Styx a badass before he says something crude or lewd. So when he finally drops an F-bomb it's like "woaaaaahh" instead of a comma in a sentence.

[ed]

Eh, I think you're expecting something a little too Standard Cool Hollywood Badass still. Given what goblins are in this setting and what Styx's life has been like, he's basically a talking sewer rat. He's a street thug with a face like an old boot. He's old and mean and lives in the gutter making dirty jokes in between stabbing people in the spleen. That's always been the character's archetype, which I think makes him a lot more memorable and interesting than "super cool Hollywood handsome hit man/thief #497" you know? I'd hate to see him changed now, after two fairly successful (for indie devs) games being himself.

[Migz - DH]

Originally posted by GR4V3:

I'd love to find Styx a badass before he says something crude or lewd. So when he finally drops an F-bomb it's like "woaaaaahh" instead of a comma in a sentence.

That Styx would be a different Styx than the one in the first two games though.

It'd be like making Superman kill bad guys or destroy cities in big fights. No one wants to see characters change like that. <snicker>

[Dragazard]

I like styx how he is in this game and I don't want to change him. He's such a cute, grumpy, nasty guy! And who wouldn't murmure a ♥♥♥♥ or ♥♥♥♥ if something bad happened?

Kinda offtopic:
I just wonder, if he would kill children or women, since there were non in the first game. I could imagine that he would if he'd really need to kill a woman but I can't with a child. ( I didn't play of orcs & men so if there was something like this I don't know it)

[GR4V3 MIST4K3]

Well, that settles that... Ho ho ho homicide to you all. ;-)

[ed]

Originally posted by Wölfchen:

Kinda offtopic:
I just wonder, if he would kill children or women, since there were non in the first game. I could imagine that he would if he'd really need to kill a woman but I can't with a child. ( I didn't play of orcs & men so if there was something like this I don't know it)

There were female characters in OOAM, all of them fighters (well High Mage Arkence was, obviously, a mage). This is a setting where the most feared and respected order of human warriors and assassins is entirely women* and apparently all orc women are trained to fight; Styx is very practical and apparently understands it's kind of foolish to think you should treat women differently when they're still twice your size, quite competent, and possibly trying to kill you. :P (He does flirt with Brune a bit, but she's already his friend. He does NOT flirt with Fox, despite being on friendly terms with her too, most probably because she's a former Sister of Laments and would kick his little green butt.)

There aren't any kids in OOAM, but Styx and Arkail both apparently don't believe in killing random helpless people that pose no threat to them, since you can't attack cowering non-combatants. (In Master of Shadows he can obviously make exceptions, but that's because it's a stealth game and those unarmed servants will call for guards he can't fight head-on. He'd probably shove a kid into a closet or something to buy some time.)



*And yet the guards/military and the Inqusition apparently don't allow women in the ranks. Which probably explains why there aren't women in Master of Shadows either, since it takes place entirely inside another human military establishment.

[DragonFax]

I dont know. I swore a lot while playing this game, especially during the final boss fight. And I don't think I could tone it down if the next one is just as hard.

[Dragazard]

Originally posted by DragonFax:

I dont know. I swore a lot while playing this game, especially during the final boss fight. And I don't think I could tone it down if the next one is just as hard.

If it's a joke, it was a little funny, but we're talking about styx not us ;)

[necronut]

“If you're offended by any word in any language, it’s probably because your parents were unfit to raise a child. They were too stupid and they should have been neutered, because all it is is a sound you can make with your mouth!

It’s not a weakness that you have naturally. When you come out of that pink ugly hole onto this planet, you're nothing but a gooey, shrieking, wrinkled ball of weakness. That’s all you are: you're weak, you're nothing but weak, and your parents looked at that, and they thought, “Not weak enough! We can make this thing even weaker by training it to react poorly to different sounds that you can make with your mouth.”

We'll list them out, this is the worst thing, if anyone ever makes this this sound: [unintelligible gibberish], that’s the worst thing they can say tol you, so make sure to recoil and cry, and be hurt and devastated, and eat ice cream on a couch for days, and then write a blog about it. You wouldn't do that otherwise, you'd just be happy if your parents didn't ♥♥♥♥ it up. You'd just be a happier person." --Doug Stanhope.

[GR4V3 MIST4K3]

Originally posted by alfojr3:

“If you're offended by any word in any language, it’s probably because your parents were unfit to raise a child. They were too stupid and they should have been neutered, because all it is is a sound you can make with your mouth!

It’s not a weakness that you have naturally. When you come out of that pink ugly hole onto this planet, you're nothing but a gooey, shrieking, wrinkled ball of weakness. That’s all you are: you're weak, you're nothing but weak, and your parents looked at that, and they thought, “Not weak enough! We can make this thing even weaker by training it to react poorly to different sounds that you can make with your mouth.”

We'll list them out, this is the worst thing, if anyone ever makes this this sound: [unintelligible gibberish], that’s the worst thing they can say tol you, so make sure to recoil and cry, and be hurt and devastated, and eat ice cream on a couch for days, and then write a blog about it. You wouldn't do that otherwise, you'd just be happy if your parents didn't ♥♥♥♥ it up. You'd just be a happier person." --Doug Stanhope.

Because taking seriously what a stand up comedian says is such a great idea xD

I don't mind cursing. In my opinion in Styx has room for improvement in the voice acting department. Maybe I'm just spoiled due to years of hearing top quality AAA voiceovers in other games/movies.

It's not that it's bad. It's that if done better next time - it will keep you glued to the screen for longer and make you like the character more.

[brg]

Agree with OP. Having Styx yell a ♥♥♥♥ here and a ♥♥♥♥ there is absolutely fine, but it doesn't work with the rest of the writing/dialogue, it's just bad. It's forceful and unnecessary.

The whole intro scene when Styx meets the guy with the scar on his face, cussing because he has a scar on his face, is pure cringe.

The posters above have failed to see this and are just shotguning replies because they only see it as the OP being too sensitive or something.

All the guards and their dialogue in this game (more women in the sequel please, too much sausage) can be summarized as [talking about how hard their life is] + [insert cuss word to cap off how hard their life is].

Really, the thread should be called 'Better writing in sequel please'

[Sci Fi Samurai]

I use to be offended by prophanity, but realized that words are just mouth noises and I can freely choose not to be offended by them. It was a very liberating decision and I can only recommend it for others.

But if you mean that sometimes cussing sounds contrived to make a character appear more badass, then I can agree with that. The only time I felt that happened in Styx was his comment about ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ a lion in its den.