The grind cycle ruins this gem of a game

[Your Majesty Padded Gamer]

This game is literal unplayable trash and I've had it after 40 bleeping hours of grinding. I hate playing as marine, her main weapon is trash and the entire character sucks. And I hate having to play as her for a good 20-30 hours of my playtime just to get 50 thousand coins so I can buy like one upgrade that doesn't even do anything.

And I HATE the fandom system, make me just play bleeping gatcha but all I get is a couple of ranks and the lazy devs didn't even put in more then one consume per character so its not like I feel like I'm getting something more then a rank up and some exp.

And also for the love of god, buff literally all the upgrades. I mean I have this many upgrades and level 3 isn't even "so easy I could do it blindfolded and backwards." In ANY OTHER GAME IN THE ENTIRE GENRE YOU WOULD BECOME SO STRONG THAT EARRLIER LEVELS WOULD BE A JOKE.

[QBEY of GENSOKYO]

skill issue

[Juno Brier]

You can take money-generating items on any character. Get money while working on their fandom ranks. It's like bonking two jailbirds with one pebble!

[HRHV87]

git gud scrub

[Hurkyl]

Sometimes, it's not that the game is a "grind", it's that you're doing it wrong.

And even if the game is meant to be a grind, doing it wrong can still make your efforts much less effective.

[Your Majesty Padded Gamer]

Originally posted by Hurkyl:

Sometimes, it's not that the game is a "grind", it's that you're doing it wrong.

And even if the game is meant to be a grind, doing it wrong can still make your efforts much less effective.

this game is literally a grindy mess. and no I don't do it "wrong" I literally generate 50 thousand in a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ run and its not enough because this game is literal jank. The upgrades barely help either.

[Nibbie]

Originally posted by Your Majesty Padded Gamer:

Originally posted by Hurkyl:

Sometimes, it's not that the game is a "grind", it's that you're doing it wrong.

And even if the game is meant to be a grind, doing it wrong can still make your efforts much less effective.

this game is literally a grindy mess. and no I don't do it "wrong" I literally generate 50 thousand in a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ run and its not enough because this game is literal jank. The upgrades barely help either.

It really sounds like you are doing it wrong though. This has nothing to do with how effective your grinding is mind you, it has to do with the fact that you aren't enjoying it. "I hate playing as marine", then don't! There is no reason to! If all you want is coins, you get those on every character during every stage. Play what you enjoy and they will come naturally. You have no reason to play a game in a way you don't enjoy.

It also sounds like you are expecting this farming to just carry you through the levels, rather than needing some amount of skill instead. This is definitely less the case in this game than others, which is something I greatly prefer. Vampire Survivors was rather boring once I was fully upgraded, I could pick just about any weapon I wanted, get the item to evolve it, and that's it, I won. I could actively run around the map and not even have to think about what could be on the screen because nothing could ever touch me. Getting Curse to like 300% was about the only way to create danger in a normal scenario at that point. That level of not caring is much harder to achieve in this game, even max upgraded you have to put at least some thought into your positioning, and doing the hard levels in particular is an actual challenge.

[Joshua Kurayami]

Originally posted by Your Majesty Padded Gamer:

Originally posted by Hurkyl:

Sometimes, it's not that the game is a "grind", it's that you're doing it wrong.

And even if the game is meant to be a grind, doing it wrong can still make your efforts much less effective.

this game is literally a grindy mess. and no I don't do it "wrong" I literally generate 50 thousand in a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ run and its not enough because this game is literal jank. The upgrades barely help either.

You aren't supposed to just get cash from just grinding maps, you have to spend that money on stuff like workers and such. I've pretty much maxed out the worker content, got all outfits and got 20+ levels on every idol thanks to my workers giving me 250k roughly every time I do a run. The only small issue is that you have to keep the workers fed to make money, and half of that food involves getting fish.

[klaud]

This is "I'm bad at the game so its obviously the game's fault" kind of energy.

[thegreatvarholy]

Isn't this the second time you've had a toddler-in-a-toy-aisle **** fit because of objectively petty-ass reasons?
Imagine throwing a fit and leaving a negative review on a totally free game.

[Battle Brotier]

The problem lies between your keyboard and your chair. This is bonafide skill issue.

[HeraldOfOpera]

Originally posted by thegreatvarholy:

toddler-in-a-toy-aisle

Read usernames.

Okay, that's not fair. Not everyone who's into that is also into self-infantilization. It's just a funny coincidence.

[Kiririn~~~~~~]

most of the people wasting too much SP on thier weapon,thats why,most of the character like marine,you only need to do build up your item and stat ,thats it

[Dlanor]

The grind cycle is largely optional. You should be able to beat stage 1 with any character without a single upgrade, and then there's several more stages you should have no issue beating without upgrades using most characters if you're actually good at the game. If you want to beat the hardest stages, then get better at the game or yes, you will have to ""grind"" (by playing the game).

There's a ton of characters in this game. If you're beating the trivially easy stages like stage 1 or 2 with each of them, the income from that should get you essentially every upgrade you need. It's easier than ever to get money in this game, a few patches back there was no skull sticker for free money, there wasn't many characters where income generation is built into their kit either, there wasn't workers or holo house at all to earn income while not even playing the game.

[PurpuluDragon]

I don't understand your problem OP.
Marine is far from being the only one that can make money...
Reine can do that, Irys and Mumei still are great with the combo, Pekora can too albeit harder.
And most of character, with the good items, can give you ton of money, just not as much as those quoted above, but still...

And saying "grinding" kill a roguelike... Isn't roguelike kill'em all a type of grinding game in the core ?

[Jer 17:5-10]

A man goes to the doctor, says "Doctor if I hold my arms and legs like this it hurts". Doctor answers "Then don't do that"