How to fix FPS for RTX 3070 (temporarily) and some other GPUs with about 8 GB VRAM

[jano]

When after a cutscene or entering a city or other stuf you see the FPS dropping and at the same time the VRAM usage is approaching 7.5 GB (sometimes earlier), then go to the menu (ESC) in the graphics settings change the settings to very low wait about 3 sec. then back to very high (or whatever you use). In my case it works the same as restarting the game, but I don't have to start from the last save.

This also proves that the game's program code is capable of clearing memory for itself (or whatever it's fixing then), but it doesn't do it on its own. You can also see on RTSS that GPU Memory is higher than GPU Memory/process.

I hope this makes it easier for you to play.

I myself play on very high settings 2560x1080@75 and after the "memory cleanup" described above it does not drop below 60, and in the wild it is 75 (with V-Sync on).

All those tips to disable HAGS, fullscreen optimizations, rBAR, etc. in my case decreased performance rather than fixed anything.

[Majestic]

Originally posted by Ellis_Cake:

(Also that link looks like a polish 'aggregate' site,
And in, not manual detailed benchmarks but autocollected data)

Dont really understand what that website is meant to prove either. It's totally pointless to determine what is the issue.

Also, which specific sections are the worst? Has anyone checked GPU BUSY with presentmon to see what happens during those sections? I only recently started playing, so i dont have access to all areas yet.

[Ellis_Cake]

Originally posted by WreckWren:

Originally posted by Ellis_Cake:

All i know is i keep in the 90 to 110 fps range consistently.
11400f, 16 gb ram, rtx 4060 ti.

I wonder if this might have something to do with it.

16 gb ram
Card still has 8gb vram?

It is somewhat common to have 16 gb system ram nowadays

[WreckWren]

Originally posted by Ellis_Cake:

Originally posted by WreckWren:

I wonder if this might have something to do with it.

16 gb ram
Card still has 8gb vram?

It is somewhat common to have 16 gb system ram nowadays

It's a long shot, but I wonder if having a smaller amount of system memory makes the game less likely to use it unnecessarily?
I run 32GB 3600.

[jano]

Originally posted by Ellis_Cake:

Originally posted by janusz.orlinski:

It is very strange that your FPS does not drop. The parameters are similar to mine. I also have NVMe and it's faster (I remember you wrote somewhere about the speed in another discussion), because 7400 MB/s.

See https://technical.city/pl/video/GeForce-RTX-3070-vs-GeForce-RTX-4060-Ti-8G#benchmarks

Yeah i dont know why some have issues.
Is a bug with the 30x0 series?
Is it that i use win11 and have proper directstore working?

All i know is i keep in the 90 to 110 fps range consistently.
11400f, 16 gb ram, rtx 4060 ti.
All settings on high, 1440p, dlss quality, framegen, reflex on.
Gsync, 144hz monitor. Nvme @2000 mb's.

I have a very trimmed and tidy win11,
No extra overlays or afterburners or updaters or junk running,
Maybe a factor i dunno.

Im very happy with hfw perf

Ok. Let see on my spec

I also use win11 and replece directstorage.dll and directstoragecore.dll with newest wersion (there was a post about it on steam)

FPS is about 70 after game start and then drops even to 50 (in wild, where before was stable 75)
r7 5700X, 16 gb DDR4 3200 ram, rtx 3070 (gigabyte aorus, OC to 2025 on core and 8000 on memory - but this has no matter I think).
All settings on very high, 2560x1080p (it's not 1440p), dlss off, framegen off (I can't on ofcourse), reflex off (no with my monitor).
V-Sync (on with ControlPanel, also triple buff), 75hz monitor. Nvme @7600 mb's.

Can you try, what will happen when turn off frame gen, and/or change reflex to V-Sync?

[WreckWren]

Originally posted by janusz.orlinski:

I also use win11 and replece directstorage.dll and directstoragecore.dll with newest wersion (there was a post about it on steam)

My game performs better with the default .dll files. Could you check which one performs better on your system?

[jano]

Originally posted by WreckWren:

Originally posted by janusz.orlinski:

I also use win11 and replece directstorage.dll and directstoragecore.dll with newest wersion (there was a post about it on steam)

My game performs better with the default .dll files. Could you check which one performs better on your system?

I don't see the difference. After visiting a city and then leaving it and going into the wilderness the fps dropped to 55. I changed the settings to very low, then to very high and the FPS around 70 in the same place.

I checked the integrity of the game files and these two detected me and downloaded "fresh".

[WreckWren]

Originally posted by janusz.orlinski:

Originally posted by WreckWren:

My game performs better with the default .dll files. Could you check which one performs better on your system?

I don't see the difference. After visiting a city and then leaving it and going into the wilderness the fps dropped to 55. I changed the settings to very low, then to very high and the FPS around 70 in the same place.

I checked the integrity of the game files and these two detected me and downloaded "fresh".

Seems to be unrelated to storage then (provided the game is on NVMe)

[Zephyr]

Originally posted by jano:

Originally posted by Zephyr:

You did not underrstand me: The RX 6700 XT and RX 6750 XT have also similar power compared to the RTX 3070 but only 12 GB VRAM. Why not put them there instead the RX 6800? It is a little suspicious. What should be is also not so much the question... . What IS matters.

rx 6700xt or rx 6750 is worse about 15% for 4k than 3070. So the VRAM above 8 GB does not matter (according to the game developers).

https://technical.city/pl/video/GeForce-RTX-3070-vs-Radeon-RX-6750-XT#gaming

Omg, why are you now referencing 4k? We were talking about 1440P high and in the link you posted the RX 6750 XT is actually faster there than the RTX 3070. The RTX 3070 cannot even begin to play this game properly at 4K high. Neither can the RX 6750 XT. At 4K the better memory bus of the 3070 might help it a little, but really none of these entry-mid tier GPUS are relevant at all for 4K.

At 1440P the RX 6800 is considerably more powerful than the RTX 3070, even without the VRAM advantage. In the recommendation specs it is a mismatch and therefore the recommendations are likely faulty. This is why everybody is complaining here :). If the faulty recommendations can be fixed is in the stars.

Originally posted by Ellis_Cake:

Originally posted by janusz.orlinski:

It is very strange that your FPS does not drop. The parameters are similar to mine. I also have NVMe and it's faster (I remember you wrote somewhere about the speed in another discussion), because 7400 MB/s.

See https://technical.city/pl/video/GeForce-RTX-3070-vs-GeForce-RTX-4060-Ti-8G#benchmarks

Yeah i dont know why some have issues.
Is a bug with the 30x0 series?
Is it that i use win11 and have proper directstore working?

All i know is i keep in the 90 to 110 fps range consistently.
11400f, 16 gb ram (xmp 3600mhz) , rtx 4060 ti 8gb vram
All settings on high, 1440p, dlss quality, framegen, reflex on.
Gsync, 144hz monitor. Nvme @2000 mb's.

I have a very trimmed and tidy win11,
No extra overlays or afterburners or updaters or junk running,
Maybe a factor i dunno.

Im very happy with hfw perf


(Another note is that vram usage isnt static per setting,
Those that have 12 gb and more and mention 'games uses 10gb or more vram' have to also consider that it will use more when it finds more cus it can speed things up. Unused ram or vram is a waste after all)

He does have no issues because he is using upscaling +Framegen, so the 90 FPS are quite a lie (upscaled fake frames with added latency) which also reduces VRAM needs considerably.
There is no 8 GB VRAM GPU that could manage such performance natively even remotely.

Here is a review with a lot of benchmarks that clearly show VRAM issues. While it is still claimed that 8 GB VRAM are enough for the high preset at 1440P it is already borderline with lower 1% FPS than 16 GB VRAM. At very high preset at 1440P it is stated that you need at least 10 GB VRAM for this game.

https://www.tomshardware.com/video-games/pc-gaming/horizon-forbidden-west-pc-port-analysis-another-game-that-can-exceed-8gb-vram-use#section-horizon-forbidden-west-pc-performance

[jano]

Originally posted by Zephyr:

Originally posted by jano:

rx 6700xt or rx 6750 is worse about 15% for 4k than 3070. So the VRAM above 8 GB does not matter (according to the game developers).

https://technical.city/pl/video/GeForce-RTX-3070-vs-Radeon-RX-6750-XT#gaming

Omg, why are you now referencing 4k? We were talking about 1440P high and in the link you posted the RX 6750 XT is actually faster there than the RTX 3070. The RTX 3070 cannot even begin to play this game properly at 4K high. Neither can the RX 6750 XT. At 4K the better memory bus of the 3070 might help it a little, but really none of these entry-mid tier GPUS are relevant at all for 4K.

In Nixxes spec. recomendation is pointed rtx 3070 for 4k@30, so they chose rx 6800 with rtx 3070 in this cell of the table.

[Zephyr]

Originally posted by jano:

Originally posted by Zephyr:

Omg, why are you now referencing 4k? We were talking about 1440P high and in the link you posted the RX 6750 XT is actually faster there than the RTX 3070. The RTX 3070 cannot even begin to play this game properly at 4K high. Neither can the RX 6750 XT. At 4K the better memory bus of the 3070 might help it a little, but really none of these entry-mid tier GPUS are relevant at all for 4K.

In Nixxes spec. recomendation is pointed rtx 3070 for 4k@30, so they chose rx 6800 with rtx 3070 in this cell of the table.

Well, yes, but it still does not work properly, does it? Technically the RTX 3070 achieves perhaps 30 FPS average at 4K (where is this mentioned by Nixxes?) or even 60 FPS at 1440P high, but this does not mean there will be no stutters or other issues. The recommendations are always about averages. Stutters because of VRAM issues and bad 1% lows are usually not considered. Also, it is still stupid that they ever put the RTX 3070 in such positions (if they did actually for 4K). It cannot deliver this. The RTX 3070 is by no means a 4K capable GPU in modern games. It DOES NOT work well, not even a nice fluid 30 FPS at 4K will be doable on high or very high settings :).

Edit: I think I found the 4K claim. Ghost of Tsushima has essentially the same requirements sheet as Forbidden West and there a RTX 3070 is with 30 FPS high at 4K. Well, good luck with that, same as with this game and 1440P high 60 FPS. I think there will be exactly the same issues.

[Disannul]

Even 3080 10GB cant do great 30fps at 4k. Have to tweak settings down to high/mid mix, and likely use some sort of upscaling option to achieve good lows. 3000 series marketed as 4k capable was always partially BS by Nvidia. Sure some games can do smooth 30 or even 60fps at native 4k with 3070+ but those are not GPU intensive games. Even 4000 series with many modern titles cant do native 4k well, again need upscaling and/or frame gen. This is for regular raster as well, forget ray tracing. False advertisment + poor expectations by consumers can be seen playing out here. Can the game be optimized? Yes. Will optimizations fix 4k frame rate? No. Native 2k/1440p with 3070+ is sweet spot, like many modern gpu intensive games. Can Nix optimize direct storage? Maybe. I would be curious if they ever offer a option to turn it off, but then they would need to implement some sort of memory culling, which given whatever engine, port hacks, dev experience, and licenses they are beholden to are is unknown since we dont have that info; its a whole other rabbit hole

[Zephyr]

Originally posted by Disannul:

Even 3080 10GB cant do great 30fps at 4k. Have to tweak settings down to high/mid mix, and likely use some sort of upscaling option to achieve good lows. 3000 series marketed as 4k capable was always partially BS by Nvidia. Sure some games can do smooth 30 or even 60fps at native 4k with 3070+ but those are not GPU intensive games. Even 4000 series with many modern titles cant do native 4k well, again need upscaling and/or frame gen. This is for regular raster as well, forget ray tracing. False advertisment + poor expectations by consumers can be seen playing out here. Can the game be optimized? Yes. Will optimizations fix 4k frame rate? No. Native 2k/1440p with 3070+ is sweet spot, like many modern gpu intensive games. Can Nix optimize direct storage? Maybe. I would be curious if they ever offer a option to turn it off, but then they would need to implement some sort of memory culling, which given whatever engine, port hacks, dev experience, and licenses they are beholden to are is unknown since we dont have that info; its a whole other rabbit hole

About 4K we do not have to discuss. Anything below a RTX 4070 TI Super or RX 7900 XT is not really worth talking about, except if you are ok with less than 60 FPS (and a RTX 3070 surely will not manage stable and nice 30 FPS here, like you said) . Also, the false marketing by Nvidia is obvious. Without DLSS or Framegen everything below a RTX 4080 falls quite short when using heavy ray tracing.

What is the point here and there I have to agree is that the recommendation spec sheet for the game leads to false expectations. They put a RTX 3070 there for native high 1440P 60 FPS and it is not really enough anymore in the current game release, likely due to VRAM problems. It is by now the wrong positioning. Modern games often require more VRAM. RTX 3070 is NOT the sweet spot for 1440P high/ultra anymore in newer game releases. It may manage in some, but in many others there will be problems already.

[jano]

Originally posted by Zephyr:

What is the point here and there I have to agree is that the recommendation spec sheet for the game leads to false expectations. They put a RTX 3070 there for native high 1440P 60 FPS and it is not really enough anymore in the current game release, likely due to VRAM problems. It is by now the wrong positioning. Modern games often require more VRAM. RTX 3070 is NOT the sweet spot for 1440P high/ultra anymore in newer game releases. It may manage in some, but in many others there will be problems already.

My point is that rtx 3070 can run it with very high settings in 1080p with average 70 fps, but the fps drops after some time (for example to 50 fps), then changing graph. settings as is described in my first post in this discusion fix fps (Ayloy is in the very same place, becouse I press ESC and do tric). So it schould be fix. We can talk about gpus for future gaming, but it is not the point of this discusion.

[TitanDS]

Originally posted by jano:

Originally posted by Zephyr:

What is the point here and there I have to agree is that the recommendation spec sheet for the game leads to false expectations. They put a RTX 3070 there for native high 1440P 60 FPS and it is not really enough anymore in the current game release, likely due to VRAM problems. It is by now the wrong positioning. Modern games often require more VRAM. RTX 3070 is NOT the sweet spot for 1440P high/ultra anymore in newer game releases. It may manage in some, but in many others there will be problems already.

My point is that rtx 3070 can run it with very high settings in 1080p with average 70 fps, but the fps drops after some time (for example to 50 fps), then changing graph. settings as is described in my first post in this discusion fix fps (Ayloy is in the very same place, becouse I press ESC and do tric). So it schould be fix. We can talk about gpus for future gaming, but it is not the point of this discusion.

Good evening. I created my own post about FPS drawdowns. Support my post or write that the problem is still relevant on such cards - RTX 3060 Ti, 3070 / Ti, 3080 10, 4060 / Ti, RX 5700, 6600. As you have noticed, cards with 8 GB of memory are indicated here, and in the case of 3080 10, then with it only in cut scenes with fast frame transitions (battles, flights, etc.)

[Majestic]

Actually, the game itself is trimming memory. Because I can see it go up to 11K, when im panning the camera like mad, and running around to force as many assets/sec on the screen. But when I just stand still, i can see it drop.

So the game is culling assets from memory when it can, so it makes sense the OP can force it with this fix. I'm just saying that it shouldnt have been necessary on a GPU of his calibre, that should've been easily able to play the game. But because Nvidia is greedy, they didn't spend the 25 euro extra to put 16GB on it.

It's such a shame, and just means the 3070's will become e-waste even faster.