The relationship between Aloy and Seyka seems so unbearably forced.

[daCarter]

I can't remember a game that gave me such cringe moments as Horizon Fobidden West's DLC. They try by hook or by crook to create an intimate relationship between Aloy and Seyka and it just seems so incredibly stupid.

[GunstarGizmo]

Messaggio originale di MancSoulja:

Messaggio originale di Ravenna:

It seems forced and it really makes me unlike the dlc. I dont like Seyka bcs she has an annoying attitude. At least give the player the choice who Aloy dates.

That LGBTQ stuff in video games seems so forced.

Calling it "that LGBT stuff" is a glaring admission of your predisposed bigotry.

I've had people tell me that they don't understand a lot of computer stuff or care about it. I hope they don't ban the term "stuff".

[SkullBro]

True.
It's a literal book case on how not to write romance in a multi-installment story arc. But saying that gets you labelled as an *'ist.

I thought it was common sense that you don't write in a canonical romance where the was none, by pulling out a character out of nowhere, and essentially speed-running it to the point of cringe it in what's for all intents and purposes - just before the last third of the story.
Selka would be a lot more palatable if she had the time to grow as a character and on people since the first game, or failing that - at least since base FW. But as it is, she comes out of nowhere, gets rammed down your throat to overcome the latecomer effect, and ends up cringy because her traits are ramped up to eleven to make up for not having an opportunity to grow.
And if anyone is into shipping and romance stuff, they already had a horse in the race and don't appreciate being sunk after two full games, just before the third one in a DLC of all things.

It was always gonna cause a stir, the only reason it gets a pass is because it involves sexual minority, so you can't say anything about it in 2020's, anywhere a feedback might actually be noticed - without stirring up a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ there.

[[sangreconleche]]

Messaggio originale di GlowWorm:

They are crushing on each other. Have you ever been in a group social setting where two of the people are meeting each other for the first time and it is really obvious that they are crushing on each other? Wasn't it cringe to see them being so awkward?

Crushing == Cringe

That's how it is. And we should all revel in its glory.

THIS.

[Dr.Abscondus]

I approached this with an open mind and waited to see how things played out between the two before deciding on what to do. As things went along I found myself developing a strong dislike for Seyka, so at the end it was a no go. Sorry sugar lumps but I got stuff I gotta do.
The thing is that I didn't have this reaction to Alva, and if she'd been put forward as the love interest I would have said yes. She was also obviously crushing on Aloy and her skill set seemed a better match with Aloy. Don't need two warrior women, Aloy handles that while Alva is more the brainy science/lore type. I like smart women. But, as I said, I just didn't like Seyka and that has nothing to do with her sexual preference.

[Tr0w]

Not gotten to the expansion yet but it does seem strange considering the um... tension they put into the dialogue with Avad in the prologue.

@Macsoulja Nice projection there, the actual bigotry in the industry is the active withholding of access to funding unless publishers and studios construct their products around specific narratives.

[joridiculous]

Messaggio originale di MancSoulja:

Messaggio originale di Ravenna:

It seems forced and it really makes me unlike the dlc. I dont like Seyka bcs she has an annoying attitude. At least give the player the choice who Aloy dates.

That LGBTQ stuff in video games seems so forced.

Calling it "that LGBT stuff" is a glaring admission of your predisposed bigotry.

as written in the script they all blindly follow, the alphabet mafia toss around the bigot slur anytime they don't have an argument.

[jano]

Messaggio originale di daCarter:

I can't remember a game that gave me such cringe moments as Horizon Fobidden West's DLC. They try by hook or by crook to create an intimate relationship between Aloy and Seyka and it just seems so incredibly stupid.

I hope your spacebar is working. :) I'll be using it during DLC if ever play (FPS drop isue et cetera)

[Black Hole]

Meh I rather they not put in romance options in this franchise.

[Mythical]

I have to agree. Even post the Burning Shores ending, I felt as though it was presented as an option, not a definite. I was honestly pretty boggled when I started seeing people saying ALoy/Seyka was now canon. What? Did y'all play the same game and DLC I did? Mind you, I have ZERO issues with it from the angle of representation, truly. thoiugh If they were going that route, I think Petra seems a far better choice.

As I played through, it felt to me like Aloy and Seyka were like besties; Aloy is nervous and giddy because she's a dork who's never had a female friend, not really. But in terms of Seyka, they are TOO much alike, if that makes sense.

Honestly, I never liked an ship for Aloyt, until Kotallo. TO me it was ridiculously obvious that he is a perfect counter to her; stable where she is a bit flighty, but also utterly supportive. She lightens him up, he grounds her.

So when I hit the end of Burning Shores, I felt that the 'non-kiss' options were both about her frustration generally. I read it as she was nervous because she really liked having Seyka as a bestie, and started to suspect Seyka would have feels, and didn't want to make a mess of it like she had with Erend. It did not read to me like mutual feels at any point.

When she says she doesn't have time for this, it's her usual lone wolf complex resurfacing. She doesn't have time for ANY of her 'suitors,' be it Erend, Avad, OR Seyka. I like Kotallo precisely because he isn't all up in her face slavering. He just...is himself, and she obviously feels differently about him than she does her other companions, too. She refused help from Varl, Erend, and Avad, yet Kotallo is all like 'I'm coming with you' and she's like 'How can I refuse.' Because he has made it plain he is not making demands is exactly why she feels differently about him. (That's exactly why I see Petra as a better option if they do want to make a f/f canon relationship; she, much like Kotallo, is grounded, and makes no demands despite her plain admiration.)

[Mythical]

Messaggio originale di SkullBro:

True.
It's a literal book case on how not to write romance in a multi-installment story arc. But saying that gets you labelled as an *'ist.

I thought it was common sense that you don't write in a canonical romance where the was none, by pulling out a character out of nowhere, and essentially speed-running it to the point of cringe it in what's for all intents and purposes - just before the last third of the story.
Selka would be a lot more palatable if she had the time to grow as a character and on people since the first game, or failing that - at least since base FW. But as it is, she comes out of nowhere, gets rammed down your throat to overcome the latecomer effect, and ends up cringy because her traits are ramped up to eleven to make up for not having an opportunity to grow.
And if anyone is into shipping and romance stuff, they already had a horse in the race and don't appreciate being sunk after two full games, just before the third one in a DLC of all things.

It was always gonna cause a stir, the only reason it gets a pass is because it involves sexual minority, so you can't say anything about it in 2020's, anywhere a feedback might actually be noticed - without stirring up a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ there.

ALL this I agree with, though I think your dismissal of representation for its own sake in the first and last bits of your comment is kinda icky.....

[Thornok]

dont know ... skipping dialog all the time

[Majestic]

Messaggio originale di Thornok:

dont know ... skipping dialog all the time

lmao

[Coffee Break Hero]

Messaggio originale di GunstarGizmo:

People are a product of their environment, and I don't see this situation happening in their world either, but it's just a game - a product of its environment. Personally, Aloy seemed to have a better connection with Avad, Nil, or Erand. Sadly, the game isn't Mass Effect when it comes to choices.

The environment that's supposed to shape the game is the in-game one, not real life

[KarlThorsten89]

This is very forced in my opinion. A game it might just be, yes, but I hoped for choice. I would've gone lesbian Aloy if it was a choice and properly written. But I also wanted to possibly romance Errend, he and Aloy seemed to click in the first game.
NOPE, ONLY ONE PATH ALLOWED! All in the name of the "MODERN AUDIENCE."
There is no in-game environment, only the "I IDENTIFY AS CHROMOSONE 66!" obsession some people have.

[Avalanche]

Well

Messaggio originale di KarlThorsten89:

This is very forced in my opinion. A game it might just be, yes, but I hoped for choice. I would've gone lesbian Aloy if it was a choice and properly written. But I also wanted to possibly romance Errend, he and Aloy seemed to click in the first game.
NOPE, ONLY ONE PATH ALLOWED! All in the name of the "MODERN AUDIENCE."
There is no in-game environment, only the "I IDENTIFY AS CHROMOSONE 66!" obsession some people have.

Well, when it comes to romance options, i prefer to just choose at the end based on who I like most, like on Mass Effect, as a Male Shep, i romance Ashley, as a female Shep, i romance Liara, in Swtor, since Lana Beniko became a thing, i romance her exclusively, since you can romance her as a male or female.

When it comes to Aloy and the sudden lesbian thing, the thing is, how do we know it is sudden?

I mean, a friend of mine has met alot of women that should be good matches for each other, but they just didn't click romantically or sexually, but met someone and it happened very quickly and have been married for over 20 years and while she is a nice person, she doesn't look all that attractive, but she is fun to hang out with when we do movie nights.

Maybe this new npc chick is this for Aloy? who knows, but from what i have heard, you can choose to kiss them or not.

I am not against romance in these games, but sometimes, having someone to fight for, can be a huge motivator to succeed.

It is easy to find a cause worth dying for, but is there a cause worth living for?

MAybe this is her reason to live?

From what i saw from playthroughs it felt like it was different to others, even she mentioned that she has done the same thing to others and it has never bothered her when it negatively affects anyone else, yet it made her feel something when it messed up this new npc's life, so she felt like she needed to fix it for some unknown reason.

Sounds like she was never attracted to Erend or Avad, it seemed more like a brother sister thing for Aloy when it came to Erend, though i suspect Erend wants more.

when it comes to Avad, it seemed like he wanted her, but she didn't seem to return those feelings, not really.

When it comes to this new girl however, in the playthroughs, i saw the difference in how she reacted to her treatment and response to Aloy's actions and it affected her differently than any other person she has negatively affected or seen mistreated.

It sounds more like, she has never been romantically interested in anyone.......not so far until this new npc, hence why it could look so sudden?

Anyway, as long as there is a choice, i am fine with it.

Because, in Life is Strange: True Colors, you can actively choose if Alex is straight, Bi or Gay in a conversation and i like that, it means WE can choose if OUR Alex is straight, bi or gay, that is the best possible thing to do in EVERY game that has romance options in it.