Horizon Forbidden West™ Complete Edition

Horizon Forbidden West™ Complete Edition

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Deviant 22 ABR 2024 a las 5:56
terrible port insane fps issues
i played hzd with no issues at all on my older gpu RX 5700 XT was the smoothest game i ever played did 100% full playthrough becuz i loved it now i got 3070 with 5 5600x and this game have ridicilous fps issues i sit in big city and have 100fps everything is smooth then for no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ reason my fps dips to 30-40 and it stays there until i restart game then its stable again for few minutes and dips again our in outer areas whenever i come across heavy particles on my screen the fps also dips to 30 constantly its such a performance mess i really wanna enjoy this game but i cant and before you white knight trolls say "BuT 1ts YoUr PC F4uLt" yeah sure buddy every other game runs no issues this game have ridicilous issues thats definitely my pc DUHHHH
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Photonboy 22 ABR 2024 a las 13:03 
RTX4070 + R9-3900x user here...
Deviant,
It's not likely your CPU since yours would work better than mine for this game. That leaves your graphics card OR your game settings. Plus, I've seen online R5-3600 and R5-5600 benchmarks that seem to not dip like you describe.

My FPS dips below 60FPS (only to 55FPS or so at 1440p/DLAA/max settings) in cities appeared to be a CPU bottleneck, not a GPU bottleneck.

Game settings:
Turn off "Reflex + Boost" if it's enabled.
The "BOOST" part is supposed to simply lock the GPU frequency to max to avoid wild frequency/performance swings but it is bugged. I could turn "Reflex + Boost" on in the game and suddenly get a huge FPS drop and my GPU usage would drop to around 70%. So try turning that OFF if it's on ("Reflex" on its own seemed to work fine but I turned I stayed with OFF.)

8GB VRAM the issue?
Not according to this testing->
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/horizon-forbidden-west-performance-benchmark/6.html
"Our VRAM testing shows that Forbidden West is quite reasonable with its memory requirements. 8 GB is enough even for 4K at highest settings, which is also confirmed by our RTX 4060 Ti 8 GB vs 16 GB results—there's no performance difference between both cards, even when maxed out. "

Game settings too demanding?
Possibly, I have no way to test this although you can go to Youtube and see benchmarks of your same card.

The only advice I can currently give you is:
1) ensure video DRIVERS are up to date
2) disable VSYNC (temporarily) if it's on (unless you use GSync)
3) Reflex setting to "OFF"
4) Dynamic resolution OFF (for now)

5) If game has Frame Generation (I forget) then try turning it OFF for now.
6) WHERE you get the huge FPS drop, turn everything down as LOW as possible (with DLSS on its lowest quality. Performance?) then turn graphics settings back up if you have FPS to spare. If there's some particular setting that's trashing performance you should be able to discover it here.

7) Use Task Manager to check if OTHER processes are kicking in eating up your CPU.
8) Digital Foundry performance guide:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6IT9vYIkAQ

OTHER:
I'm guessing you have GSync? I'm pretty happy with 60FPS using my RTX4070. You might want to consider setting an FPS cap that's closer to that, but just below your AVERAGE at whatever graphics settings you choose (because that tends to reduce fan noise AND give a more consistent experience).

"Dynamic" should be turned off for now. I tried it but it didn't play nice with VSYNC (no GSYNC, just normal 60Hz monitor). I wouldn't use it if your FPS is dropping well below the FPS target you choose as the game will simply keep dropping the render resolution. But if you get to this point, experiment.

Handy, but I'd still drop all settings as LOW as possible and experiment to see if you can discover the issue. So all settings to LOW, and toggle other settings on/off to see if they "F" anything up. Like "Reflex + Boost" did to me.

(pretty disappointed with most of the comments here. If you aren't even attempting to help then... S T F U)
Deviant 22 ABR 2024 a las 15:49 
Publicado originalmente por Photonboy:
RTX4070 + R9-3900x user here...
Deviant,
It's not likely your CPU since yours would work better than mine for this game. That leaves your graphics card OR your game settings. Plus, I've seen online R5-3600 and R5-5600 benchmarks that seem to not dip like you describe.

My FPS dips below 60FPS (only to 55FPS or so at 1440p/DLAA/max settings) in cities appeared to be a CPU bottleneck, not a GPU bottleneck.

Game settings:
Turn off "Reflex + Boost" if it's enabled.
The "BOOST" part is supposed to simply lock the GPU frequency to max to avoid wild frequency/performance swings but it is bugged. I could turn "Reflex + Boost" on in the game and suddenly get a huge FPS drop and my GPU usage would drop to around 70%. So try turning that OFF if it's on ("Reflex" on its own seemed to work fine but I turned I stayed with OFF.)

8GB VRAM the issue?
Not according to this testing->
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/horizon-forbidden-west-performance-benchmark/6.html
"Our VRAM testing shows that Forbidden West is quite reasonable with its memory requirements. 8 GB is enough even for 4K at highest settings, which is also confirmed by our RTX 4060 Ti 8 GB vs 16 GB results—there's no performance difference between both cards, even when maxed out. "

Game settings too demanding?
Possibly, I have no way to test this although you can go to Youtube and see benchmarks of your same card.

The only advice I can currently give you is:
1) ensure video DRIVERS are up to date
2) disable VSYNC (temporarily) if it's on (unless you use GSync)
3) Reflex setting to "OFF"
4) Dynamic resolution OFF (for now)

5) If game has Frame Generation (I forget) then try turning it OFF for now.
6) WHERE you get the huge FPS drop, turn everything down as LOW as possible (with DLSS on its lowest quality. Performance?) then turn graphics settings back up if you have FPS to spare. If there's some particular setting that's trashing performance you should be able to discover it here.

7) Use Task Manager to check if OTHER processes are kicking in eating up your CPU.
8) Digital Foundry performance guide:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6IT9vYIkAQ

OTHER:
I'm guessing you have GSync? I'm pretty happy with 60FPS using my RTX4070. You might want to consider setting an FPS cap that's closer to that, but just below your AVERAGE at whatever graphics settings you choose (because that tends to reduce fan noise AND give a more consistent experience).

"Dynamic" should be turned off for now. I tried it but it didn't play nice with VSYNC (no GSYNC, just normal 60Hz monitor). I wouldn't use it if your FPS is dropping well below the FPS target you choose as the game will simply keep dropping the render resolution. But if you get to this point, experiment.

Handy, but I'd still drop all settings as LOW as possible and experiment to see if you can discover the issue. So all settings to LOW, and toggle other settings on/off to see if they "F" anything up. Like "Reflex + Boost" did to me.

(pretty disappointed with most of the comments here. If you aren't even attempting to help then... S T F U)

my problem is pretty simple i start up the game it runs fluid smooth i am getting anywhere between 80-140fps at all times all max settings (1080P) but then there are some areas where my fps instantly dips below 40-50 BUT when i leave that area my fps stays much lower at all times now so when i go back to area where im suppose to have lets say 100 fps its now sitting at 60-70 all the time so i restart the game load my save and boom im 100 fps in this area its just bizzare
Última edición por Deviant; 22 ABR 2024 a las 15:55
Photonboy 22 ABR 2024 a las 16:10 
I get what you're saying... all I can do is give you things to try. Toggle settings on and off.

The game is running FLAWLESS for me other than occasional dips I think are CPU related. The only major FPS issue I've had, that I couldn't fix, really was the scenario closer to the beginning of the game where there's that big meeting and you get attacked. Major FPS drops. CPU?

The ONLY other issue I had that was close to what you describe happened when I turned on "Reflex + Boost"
Última edición por Photonboy; 22 ABR 2024 a las 16:11
Deviant 23 ABR 2024 a las 5:49 
Publicado originalmente por Photonboy:
I get what you're saying... all I can do is give you things to try. Toggle settings on and off.

The game is running FLAWLESS for me other than occasional dips I think are CPU related. The only major FPS issue I've had, that I couldn't fix, really was the scenario closer to the beginning of the game where there's that big meeting and you get attacked. Major FPS drops. CPU?

The ONLY other issue I had that was close to what you describe happened when I turned on "Reflex + Boost"
i will try those things you mentioned but its just extremely bizzare to what is happening to me in this game i never had anything like it before in any other game
Deviant 23 ABR 2024 a las 12:04 
Publicado originalmente por roZin1401:
https://steamcommunity.com/games/2420110/announcements/detail/4173223363960212450
i will see if this fixed my issue
gorba 23 ABR 2024 a las 12:06 
Publicado originalmente por Deviant:
i played hzd with no issues at all on my older gpu RX 5700 XT was the smoothest game i ever played did 100% full playthrough becuz i loved it now i got 3070 with 5 5600x and this game have ridicilous fps issues i sit in big city and have 100fps everything is smooth then for no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ reason my fps dips to 30-40 and it stays there until i restart game then its stable again for few minutes and dips again our in outer areas whenever i come across heavy particles on my screen the fps also dips to 30 constantly its such a performance mess i really wanna enjoy this game but i cant and before you white knight trolls say "BuT 1ts YoUr PC F4uLt" yeah sure buddy every other game runs no issues this game have ridicilous issues thats definitely my pc DUHHHH

What's you machine specs? Also, include your drive type and speed.
Última edición por gorba; 23 ABR 2024 a las 12:06
Deviant 23 ABR 2024 a las 12:37 
Publicado originalmente por gorba:
Publicado originalmente por Deviant:
i played hzd with no issues at all on my older gpu RX 5700 XT was the smoothest game i ever played did 100% full playthrough becuz i loved it now i got 3070 with 5 5600x and this game have ridicilous fps issues i sit in big city and have 100fps everything is smooth then for no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ reason my fps dips to 30-40 and it stays there until i restart game then its stable again for few minutes and dips again our in outer areas whenever i come across heavy particles on my screen the fps also dips to 30 constantly its such a performance mess i really wanna enjoy this game but i cant and before you white knight trolls say "BuT 1ts YoUr PC F4uLt" yeah sure buddy every other game runs no issues this game have ridicilous issues thats definitely my pc DUHHHH

What's you machine specs? Also, include your drive type and speed.
i literally said my specs in that post didnt you read it...
Johnny Hazard 23 ABR 2024 a las 12:51 
Publicado originalmente por Deviant:
i played hzd with no issues at all on my older gpu RX 5700 XT was the smoothest game i ever played did 100% full playthrough becuz i loved it now i got 3070 with 5 5600x and this game have ridicilous fps issues i sit in big city and have 100fps everything is smooth then for no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ reason my fps dips to 30-40 and it stays there until i restart game then its stable again for few minutes and dips again our in outer areas whenever i come across heavy particles on my screen the fps also dips to 30 constantly its such a performance mess i really wanna enjoy this game but i cant and before you white knight trolls say "BuT 1ts YoUr PC F4uLt" yeah sure buddy every other game runs no issues this game have ridicilous issues thats definitely my pc DUHHHH

Do you even own the game thou ... Steam says no, so why are you here?
Photonboy 23 ABR 2024 a las 13:35 
DUST has been improved!

Joking aside, I noticed that "Reflex + Boost" FPS drop was addressed. It didn't matter if it wasn't enabled, but many would have had it on.

Something about texture streaming.

Deviant,
While MOST of your specs are there, you don't say how much DDR4 memory you have. If you have 16GB you might want to consider upgrading to 32GB.

While I said it didn't seem like a VRAM issue based on the testing I linked, it still COULD be. There's no easy way to test that on an 8GB VRAM system because the game can still be swapping textures in and out of DDR4 memory (causing FPS drops/stutters) and report 7.5GB or whatever.

Game updates can change system requirements too.

The reason it SOUNDS like a VRAM issue is that you restart the area and the FPS goes up. That can sometimes be mitigated by additional system memory (DDR4/5), or game updates that handle how and when textures are swapped.

If OTHER people with the same basic specs don't have issues however, it stands to reason it's something else.

(comments... come on guys, you're attacking Deviant for being a "troll" while some of you are being jerks. He started off a little rough, but then you guys validate his "it's your fault" attitude anyway. Just assume the guy has the game and wants his problem solved. You don't have to be here commenting if you don't want to help.)
Última edición por Photonboy; 23 ABR 2024 a las 13:38
Juub 23 ABR 2024 a las 13:37 
Publicado originalmente por Deviant:
Publicado originalmente por roZin1401:
https://steamcommunity.com/games/2420110/announcements/detail/4173223363960212450
i will see if this fixed my issue
Any improvements? The 3070's 8GB of VRAM is often a problem with this game at anything above 1080p. You might have to turn down your textures a notch.
Deviant 23 ABR 2024 a las 13:51 
Publicado originalmente por Johnny Hazard:
Publicado originalmente por Deviant:
i played hzd with no issues at all on my older gpu RX 5700 XT was the smoothest game i ever played did 100% full playthrough becuz i loved it now i got 3070 with 5 5600x and this game have ridicilous fps issues i sit in big city and have 100fps everything is smooth then for no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ reason my fps dips to 30-40 and it stays there until i restart game then its stable again for few minutes and dips again our in outer areas whenever i come across heavy particles on my screen the fps also dips to 30 constantly its such a performance mess i really wanna enjoy this game but i cant and before you white knight trolls say "BuT 1ts YoUr PC F4uLt" yeah sure buddy every other game runs no issues this game have ridicilous issues thats definitely my pc DUHHHH

Do you even own the game thou ... Steam says no, so why are you here?

i dont need to own a game in my libary to play it there is this thing called steam libary share i can play games from my brother libary wich he have shared with me i swear literally no one knows of this feature "you dont have mouse to your name you cant play the game!"
Última edición por Deviant; 23 ABR 2024 a las 13:51
Deviant 23 ABR 2024 a las 13:52 
Publicado originalmente por Photonboy:
DUST has been improved!

Joking aside, I noticed that "Reflex + Boost" FPS drop was addressed. It didn't matter if it wasn't enabled, but many would have had it on.

Something about texture streaming.

Deviant,
While MOST of your specs are there, you don't say how much DDR4 memory you have. If you have 16GB you might want to consider upgrading to 32GB.

While I said it didn't seem like a VRAM issue based on the testing I linked, it still COULD be. There's no easy way to test that on an 8GB VRAM system because the game can still be swapping textures in and out of DDR4 memory (causing FPS drops/stutters) and report 7.5GB or whatever.

Game updates can change system requirements too.

The reason it SOUNDS like a VRAM issue is that you restart the area and the FPS goes up. That can sometimes be mitigated by additional system memory (DDR4/5), or game updates that handle how and when textures are swapped.

If OTHER people with the same basic specs don't have issues however, it stands to reason it's something else.

(comments... come on guys, you're attacking Deviant for being a "troll" while some of you are being jerks. He started off a little rough, but then you guys validate his "it's your fault" attitude anyway. Just assume the guy has the game and wants his problem solved. You don't have to be here commenting if you don't want to help.)

i have 16GB DDR4 3200MHZ and why would i need 32GB it literally does nothing for the games performance as far i know and i seen benchmarks about 16GB versus 32GB i have yet to seen a game where it would affect performance and the second part about me restarting the game and getting back normal fps you missing out on fatal point i can have my game for hours up and my fps is butterly smooth but the moment i go to specific location where i know il get fps dips thats when my fps will be stuck lower in all areas until i restart the game so basically if i dont visit those specific areas with big fps dips il have normal fluid fps at all times
Última edición por Deviant; 23 ABR 2024 a las 13:55
Fr3nzyFurb4ll 23 ABR 2024 a las 14:08 
Yeah, after the update I still struggle with FPS. Even used DDU and installed the nvidia driver fresh. I actually don't want to fresh install my Windows, which a lot say should help.
Photonboy 23 ABR 2024 a las 14:17 
16GB vs 32GB DDR4...
I can't be certain it WILL help. And yes, you've seen benchmarks that show no difference. The problem is you'll also see benchmarks of 8GB graphics cards that show the FPS is fine for them as well.

Generally speaking, TEXTURES can get swapped from system memory into Video memory. Short of actually upgrading, it can often be difficult to tell if it will help.

Leave Task Manager running in the background, then EXIT the game and quickly check what your memory usage WAS prior to just dropping. If it's up near 15GB then you likely are running out of system memory and then getting textures from the SSD.

NO.
I can't say it will help. It's complicated and some people have said it does help. My understanding is that the game can use more than 10GB of system memory. BUT... that can vary a lot. A card with lots of VRAM might have LESS textures sitting in system memory.

Plus, they just UPDATED something related to texture streaming and I have no idea what they actually did. So people would need to re-test.

(my STRONG opinion is that you're likely to see a difference in using 32GB vs 16GB even if it's not in this game.)
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