Wow! It's Trash

[Mr.Forkle]

Story sucks ass. Less and worse than original, felt no connection to any character except 1 and it wasn't even Aloy. Painted Ted Faro as a literal homicidal wannabe god monster when he was just a guy with a decently enlarged ego who wanted to make money in questionable ways and it ended up being REALLY, REALLY, BAD.

[SimplyRedie]

Originally posted by Mr.Forkle:

Painted Ted Faro as a literal homicidal wannabe god monster when he was just a guy with a decently enlarged ego who wanted to make money in questionable ways and it ended up being REALLY, REALLY, BAD.

You have dementia and forgot how Ted killed 9 alphas and at least few people in Thebes?

Originally posted by SkullBro:

He's not wrong about Faro tho.
Ted in the Zero Dawn was a piece of ♥♥♥♥ but he wasn't actively malicious, just stupid, with too much power in his hands. In Forbidden West he's a mustache twirling Bond villain.

are you on drugs? He killed 9 people in ZD alone. As in "killed", not "killed by his stupidity".

[The_Dybbuk_King]

Originally posted by maul:

I like how expecting some depth to characters beyond "he's like, super duper evil" is somehow being equated to agreeing with the character in question and being a Trump supporter. Straight up clown ♥♥♥♥ in these comments.

Yeah, we should expect even a modicum of depth in a character that is shown on screen for exactly 0% of the game. /s

I bet you Ted would ♥♥♥♥ his diaper in court too

[GlowWorm]

In fairness, the only remotely interesting villains in the Horizon franchise are Walter Londra and Ted Faro. Helis? Utter trash. Regalla? Utter trash. Tilda and the other Zeniths? Utter trash. Far from Ted Faro being done dirty, as calibrated against the rest of GG's writing, Ted Faro is treated with serious TLC.

It is the premise that Ted Faro's portrayal in HFW is somehow not consistent with Ted Faro's story from HZD that I push back against so fervently.

[medledan16]

Originally posted by >>GigaKhan<<:

Well, that was HILARIOUS. Did they do your Teddy Faro wrong, huh?

OP votes for Big Orange Man.

[Shalltear]

womp womp OP!

[SkullBro]

Originally posted by SimplyRedie ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥:

Originally posted by Mr.Forkle:

Painted Ted Faro as a literal homicidal wannabe god monster when he was just a guy with a decently enlarged ego who wanted to make money in questionable ways and it ended up being REALLY, REALLY, BAD.

You have dementia and forgot how Ted killed 9 alphas and at least few people in Thebes?

Originally posted by SkullBro:

He's not wrong about Faro tho.
Ted in the Zero Dawn was a piece of ♥♥♥♥ but he wasn't actively malicious, just stupid, with too much power in his hands. In Forbidden West he's a mustache twirling Bond villain.

are you on drugs? He killed 9 people in ZD alone. As in "killed", not "killed by his stupidity".

Yes, after a series of datapoints that depict him growing more unhinged with every mention and appearance. With the APOLLO/Alpha's reveal, you can, with hindsight track his mental deterioration.
Meanwhile, Forbidden West plays him up to be a complete, unrepentant mustache twirling psycho from the get go, long before his mental breakdown.

Zero Dawn portrays him as a mental wreck deteriorating until he snaps and murders people. Forbidden West portrays him as mustache twirling discount James Bond villain.

I wouldn't have an issue if it was consistent one way or another. But being told that this unkempt, jittery mess tettering on the verge of a mental breakdown, calling from his fancy survival bunker was actually being a playboy riding out the apocalypse partying with his "girlfriends" in a freaking temple built in his honor, the moment he hits disconnect on a call to ZD - is just jarring.

I find a goober who stumbled his way into apocalypse because his greed clouded his common sense, and then suffered a total mental breakdown under pressure and murdered people once he lost the last thing keeping him sane - interesting and actually somewhat original.

A tacky Bond villain with delusions of grandeur trying to become an immortal god, installing "off switches" in people's heads - is comically played out and unorginal.

And since this discussion has somehow managed to devolve into a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ POLITICAL ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ - that's my cue to get out.

[BenShinobi]

I wasn't fully satisfied with Ted Faro's part in the story, but for very different reasons. It didn't dwell long enough on just how truly horrific this man's actions were, and his ultimate fate could have been explored much better then the brief time it got. It felt rushed.

A big part of the story of both these games is as a cautionary tale of what can happen when megalomaniac super-rich people have too much power. Evil isn't the right word, but Sociopathy and extreme arrogance are what led Faro into accidentally causing the end of the world, after which he demonstrated quite typical narcissistic behaviour in rejecting the guilt he should have felt and destroying anything in the world that might serve as a reminder that it was all his fault. This continues to spiral even when in his end of the world tomb/palace (which absolutely nails the messiah complex common with his personality type). So this isn't a different character than in HZD, it's a natural progression of his personality that's incapable of self-reflection and can't even notice how he's spiralling out of control.

The real-world comparisons are obvious, and probably where I trigger people the most, but think of the Elon Musks & Jeff Bezos' of the world and I think you have the kind of person Faro is modelled on. I'm not saying they're gonna become the Ted Faro's of our time, but that the game devs took the real-life existence of people like them and took it to a very logical extreme.

[SimplyRedie]

Originally posted by SkullBro:

hat's my cue to get out.

As you should, since you are beyond disconnected.

[GlowWorm]

Originally posted by BenShinobi:

The real-world comparisons are obvious, and probably where I trigger people the most, but think of the Elon Musks & Jeff Bezos' of the world and I think you have the kind of person Faro is modelled on.

Mohammed bin Salman has entered the chat.

[The_Dybbuk_King]

Originally posted by SkullBro:

Originally posted by SimplyRedie ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥:

You have dementia and forgot how Ted killed 9 alphas and at least few people in Thebes?


are you on drugs? He killed 9 people in ZD alone. As in "killed", not "killed by his stupidity".

Yes, after a series of datapoints that depict him growing more unhinged with every mention and appearance. With the APOLLO/Alpha's reveal, you can, with hindsight track his mental deterioration.
Meanwhile, Forbidden West plays him up to be a complete, unrepentant mustache twirling psycho from the get go, long before his mental breakdown.

Zero Dawn portrays him as a mental wreck deteriorating until he snaps and murders people. Forbidden West portrays him as mustache twirling discount James Bond villain.

I wouldn't have an issue if it was consistent one way or another. But being told that this unkempt, jittery mess tettering on the verge of a mental breakdown, calling from his fancy survival bunker was actually being a playboy riding out the apocalypse partying with his "girlfriends" in a freaking temple built in his honor, the moment he hits disconnect on a call to ZD - is just jarring.

I find a goober who stumbled his way into apocalypse because his greed clouded his common sense, and then suffered a total mental breakdown under pressure and murdered people once he lost the last thing keeping him sane - interesting and actually somewhat original.

A tacky Bond villain with delusions of grandeur trying to become an immortal god, installing "off switches" in people's heads - is comically played out and unorginal.

And since this discussion has somehow managed to devolve into a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ POLITICAL ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ - that's my cue to get out.

Gasp! A game in which the plot revolves around the interpersonal relationships of large groups of people contains "Political messaging!?" Say it ain't so!

Lmfao what a clown

[Stj.Srex]

Ofc the story will be worst then first game. In only rare occasions sequels outmatch the story of the first game because with every new Serial you start without knowing anything about world by the time second game comes you know everything and you know what to expect.

[narc]

I've been having a blast playing it, I skip most dialogue tho.

[Helifax]

I personally think Ted was handled correctly in HFW. You can definitely tell he is the same narcissistic psychopath with a saviour complex that wants to control everything (including what people know and think) like he was in HFD (And this is the same person he has been before the "Swarm Incident").
I did not expect to "see him" after 1000 years, but that doesn't surprises me.. as Ted was always willing to do whatever (and kill whoever) in order for him to be worshipped! Why not in 1000 years time too...
Such a .......

[GunstarGizmo]

The Swarm was created by carelessness. Zero Dawn was created by pure evil.

Sobeck used the world for her little vanity project that she supposedly conceived on the spot after "discovering" the glitch - a glitch which she's likely responsible for through sabotage in order to justify executing her plan. She made ZERO effort to create or suggest an alternative solution despite all the resources she had at her disposal. All those brilliant minds could create world rebuilding AI's, but couldn't create superior unhackable AI machines to destroy the swarm?!?! Sorry Ted, but there's a glitch with your software, however I do have this solution ready to go. Sorry, I just don't see anyone organising and completing a project of this scale in a matter of months. Seems to me that Sobeck had her own ego issues by forcing people to work for her, and was simply trying to portray HERSELF as the world's saviour while making Faro the destroyer. Plus, she wasn't looking out for the survival of mankind considering that Far Zenith had to barter for the technology which could help them rebuild on a new world.

[Helifax]

Originally posted by GunstarGizmo:

The Swarm was created by carelessness. Zero Dawn was created by pure evil.

Sobeck used the world for her little vanity project that she supposedly conceived on the spot after "discovering" the glitch - a glitch which she's likely responsible for through sabotage in order to justify executing her plan. She made ZERO effort to create or suggest an alternative solution despite all the resources she had at her disposal. All those brilliant minds could create world rebuilding AI's, but couldn't create superior unhackable AI machines to destroy the swarm?!?! Sorry Ted, but there's a glitch with your software, however I do have this solution ready to go. Sorry, I just don't see anyone organising and completing a project of this scale in a matter of months. Seems to me that Sobeck had her own ego issues by forcing people to work for her, and was simply trying to portray HERSELF as the world's saviour while making Faro the destroyer. Plus, she wasn't looking out for the survival of mankind considering that Far Zenith had to barter for the technology which could help them rebuild on a new world.

Well to be honest... Sobeck & Co did create Minerva/Athena ... whose only purpose was to break the Black Quartz Encryption Protocol, to create the arrays (Tallnecks & Spire) and broadcast it to "kill"/deactivate the Faro Swarm. The problem was.. time... by the time it would happen all planetary life would end... hence the Zero Dawn Project ;)

https://horizon.fandom.com/wiki/MINERVA