Wow! It's Trash

[Mr.Forkle]

Story sucks ass. Less and worse than original, felt no connection to any character except 1 and it wasn't even Aloy. Painted Ted Faro as a literal homicidal wannabe god monster when he was just a guy with a decently enlarged ego who wanted to make money in questionable ways and it ended up being REALLY, REALLY, BAD.

[𝔗𝔥𝔦𝔫𝔤𝔲𝔰 𝔄𝔠𝔱𝔲𝔞𝔩𝔦𝔰]

Man,those trolls and cybabies...It's ridiculous

[TheAspieFox]

Ted Faro IS a "literal homicidal wannabe god monster", as soon as he realizes the glitch with his Hartz-Timor Swarm.

I'd suggest you revisit the lore around him in Zero Dawn, then come back to the continuations in Forbidden West.

Ted Faro literally destroyed the collective human knowledge database (Apollo), as well as killing the Alphas for the GAIA Prime facility/Zero Dawn project, a project he was abjectly against from the moment it was proposed to him by Sobeck, all just to try to cover up his involvement or shift the blame away from himself; that he was the literal cause of it. He doomed (up until the twist in Forbidden West) Earth's population to go through the thousands of years of civilizational progression (and struggles and strife therein) all because he didn't want to be blamed for the armageddon he created. His 'methods' for money (i.e. securing contracts by being superior to his competition, regarding his Chariot line) were far beyond "questionable"; they're outright reckless, negligent, and delusional, i.e. "Black Quartz" standard.

On top of having an ego the size of Jupiter.

[Dr.Abscondus]

Is that you Donald?

[Helifax]

I see more Zombies are lurking around...

[>>GigaKhan<<]

Well, that was HILARIOUS. Did they do your Teddy Faro wrong, huh?

[SkullBro]

He's not wrong about Faro tho.

It's a pet peeve of mine too, seems like GG really leaned in into the ♥♥♥♥ TED FARO meme in the second game. In ZD The dude was a goober who accidentally stumbled into apocalypse because greed clouded his common sense and lost his ♥♥♥♥ from guilt and fear of being remembered as the man who destroyed the world.

How am I supposed to reconcile this unkempt, depressed, jittery mess holed up in a private bunker from the later recordings of ZD, with a playboy riding out the apocalypse in private temple devoted to him, and having a time of his life surrounded by literal harems with brain implants to shut down their hearts in Forbidden West?

Ted in the Zero Dawn was a piece of ♥♥♥♥ but he wasn't actively malicious, just stupid, with too much power in his hands. In Forbidden West he's a mustache twirling Bond villain.

[Dailao]

Originally posted by SkullBro:

He's not wrong about Faro tho.

It's a pet peeve of mine too, seems like GG really leaned in into the ♥♥♥♥ TED FARO meme in the second game. In ZD The dude was a goober who accidentally stumbled into apocalypse because greed clouded his common sense and lost his ♥♥♥♥ from guilt and fear of being remembered as the man who destroyed the world.

How am I supposed to reconcile this unkempt, depressed, jittery mess holed up in a private bunker from the later recordings of ZD, with a playboy riding out the apocalypse in private temple devoted to him, and having a time of his life surrounded by literal harems with brain implants to shut down their hearts in Forbidden West?

Ted in the Zero Dawn was a piece of ♥♥♥♥ but he wasn't actively malicious, just stupid, with too much power in his hands. In Forbidden West he's a mustache twirling Bond villain.

Pretty much this.
They took the lore we had and continued it in an extreme way, which wasn't necessary.
Yes it fits that he had an expensive bunker. No to pretty much all the rest, it's way too extreme and doesn't fit.

[maul]

Originally posted by SkullBro:

He's not wrong about Faro tho.

It's a pet peeve of mine too, seems like GG really leaned in into the ♥♥♥♥ TED FARO meme in the second game. In ZD The dude was a goober who accidentally stumbled into apocalypse because greed clouded his common sense and lost his ♥♥♥♥ from guilt and fear of being remembered as the man who destroyed the world.

How am I supposed to reconcile this unkempt, depressed, jittery mess holed up in a private bunker from the later recordings of ZD, with a playboy riding out the apocalypse in private temple devoted to him, and having a time of his life surrounded by literal harems with brain implants to shut down their hearts in Forbidden West?

Ted in the Zero Dawn was a piece of ♥♥♥♥ but he wasn't actively malicious, just stupid, with too much power in his hands. In Forbidden West he's a mustache twirling Bond villain.

100%, it's ridiculous what they did with him in HFW.

[GlowWorm]

Originally posted by SkullBro:

He's not wrong about Faro tho.

It's a pet peeve of mine too, seems like GG really leaned in into the ♥♥♥♥ TED FARO meme in the second game. In ZD The dude was a goober who accidentally stumbled into apocalypse because greed clouded his common sense and lost his ♥♥♥♥ from guilt and fear of being remembered as the man who destroyed the world.

How am I supposed to reconcile this unkempt, depressed, jittery mess holed up in a private bunker from the later recordings of ZD, with a playboy riding out the apocalypse in private temple devoted to him, and having a time of his life surrounded by literal harems with brain implants to shut down their hearts in Forbidden West?

Ted in the Zero Dawn was a piece of ♥♥♥♥ but he wasn't actively malicious, just stupid, with too much power in his hands. In Forbidden West he's a mustache twirling Bond villain.

Excuse me, in Horizon Zero Dawn we learn that Ted Faro secretly had something called "Omega Clearance" created. We learn that Ted Faro used Omega Clearance to erase all copies of Apollo. We learn that Ted Faro used Omega Clearance to assassinate the other Alphas. (Erasing all copies of Apollo is genocide to rival the creation of the Swarm, BTW, because that erasure is the eradication of the entirety of human culture.)

Sure, let's allow that in the lead-up to the launch of Zero Dawn, Ted Faro had a mental break and went insane, and that's why Ted Faro erased Apollo and assassinated the other Alphas. But that's canon from Horizon Zero Dawn! Ted Faro being insane and assassinating the Alphas and committing cultural genocide is canon!

So in Horizon Forbidden West, Ted Faro being insane is not some new thing in the new game. That was firmly established in the earlier game.

(Did any of you people actually pay any attention to the stories that you claim to be critiquing?)

[Bird_Dog]

I don't have much of a problem with Ted Faro's depiction in FW.
It's a little over the top. but not too much.
Biggest complaint is that his mental state and behaviour previous to the Faro Plage should have been a bit more fleshed out. That would have added context to the existential hell he created for himself and the others in Thebes.

A datapoint from Far Zenith's perspective mentiones his saviour complex. I guess this complex came from the time before him creating the chariot line, when he has still doing goood -albeit probably by accident as his main goal was allways self-agrandising and self-enrichment.
They call it saviour complex, I call it messiah complex. Two terms meaning the same thing.
I can see quite a number of people - unfortunately in position of various levels of power - IRL who fit the mold.
Faro is just these folks taken to the logical extreme.

I'm guessing his internal justification went somwhere along those lines:
"Oh god, what have I done?! I must atone for this! Somehow I must find a way to make it "right". I will be the torch-bearer that will lead the new generation of humanity into a better new world! But for that, I must not only be there for them, but also appear blameless. I must therfore erase the past to save the future! And I cannot allow ANYTHING or ANYONE to stand in the way of my sacred task!!"

[SkullBro]

Originally posted by GlowWorm:

Originally posted by SkullBro:

He's not wrong about Faro tho.

It's a pet peeve of mine too, seems like GG really leaned in into the ♥♥♥♥ TED FARO meme in the second game. In ZD The dude was a goober who accidentally stumbled into apocalypse because greed clouded his common sense and lost his ♥♥♥♥ from guilt and fear of being remembered as the man who destroyed the world.

How am I supposed to reconcile this unkempt, depressed, jittery mess holed up in a private bunker from the later recordings of ZD, with a playboy riding out the apocalypse in private temple devoted to him, and having a time of his life surrounded by literal harems with brain implants to shut down their hearts in Forbidden West?

Ted in the Zero Dawn was a piece of ♥♥♥♥ but he wasn't actively malicious, just stupid, with too much power in his hands. In Forbidden West he's a mustache twirling Bond villain.

Excuse me, in Horizon Zero Dawn we learn that Ted Faro secretly had something called "Omega Clearance" created. We learn that Ted Faro used Omega Clearance to erase all copies of Apollo. We learn that Ted Faro used Omega Clearance to assassinate the other Alphas. (Erasing all copies of Apollo is genocide to rival the creation of the Swarm, BTW, because that erasure is the eradication of the entirety of human culture.)

Sure, let's allow that in the lead-up to the launch of Zero Dawn, Ted Faro had a mental break and went insane, and that's why Ted Faro erased Apollo and assassinated the other Alphas. But that's canon from Horizon Zero Dawn! Ted Faro being insane and assassinating the Alphas and committing cultural genocide is canon!

So in Horizon Forbidden West, Ted Faro being insane is not some new thing in the new game. That was firmly established in the earlier game.

(Did any of you people actually pay any attention to the stories that you claim to be critiquing?)

Definitely more than you did, it is reading comprehension just not your forte? No one is questioning dumbass went insane and did what he did. The issue is that everything else does not fit with the characterization presented in the original game.

r/♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ was supposed to be a meme, not lore. Lmao.

Am I supposed to believe that this supposed Super Star calls up the ZD personel from his private freaking temple, he switches personalities to that of a nervous wreck, then switches back to playboy mode partying it up with holo-ingers and actresses the moment he hits disconnect?

The original story is poignant. Specifically because there's no mustache twirling supervillain, just unrestrained greed, thoughtlesness and doing things just because you can, without stopping to think if you SHOULD, that brings about the end to an era of rampant consumerism and then the human culture as a whole, when the dude responsible can't cope with being responsible for it anymore.

If you can't see how turning Faro into a discount Saturday morning cartoon villain hurts that, then HZD was too high a bar for you.
Literally then only thing that could hurt the story behind the Enduring Victory/Zero Dawn Project era more than what was done with Faro, would be turning the software glitch that bricked the Chariots into something with malicious intent behind it.

[GlowWorm]

Originally posted by SkullBro:

Definitely more than you did, it is reading comprehension just not your forte? No one is questioning dumbass went insane and did what he did. The issue is that everything else does not fit with the characterization presented in the original game.

Of course the portrayal of Ted Faro in HFW is completely in-line with his portrayal in HFW:
-- Ted Faro secretly creates and installs Omega Clearance. This shows that Ted Faro is driven to always be in control. In HFW, we see that Ted Faro's requirement to always be in control extends to placing kill switches inside the people who are accompanying him, and then to using those kill switches to silence anyone who Ted Faro thinks might be learning things about him that Ted Faro thinks are unflattering.
-- Ted Faro is obsessed with his legacy, with erasing any information about how he destroyed humanity so that nobody thinks anything bad about him. In HFW, we see that this obsession with his legacy extends to wanting to bring himself into the future, so he can literally meet the future people and be a god to them.

Control, and his legacy, with no compunction about killing people and committing cultural genocide in order to get there.

[MancSoulja]

Faro, the worlds first trillionaire creates an unstoppable army of robots that eat biomatter as fuel, and who will inevitably kill everyone on the planet before purging the knowledge base for all of humanity's achievements purely to hide his involvement, an absolute megalomaniac bent on world domination.

Trump fans: Why’d you do Faro dirty, he’s just misunderstood.

If half of you had the reading comprehension you claim to you'd know that Thebes as well as Faro’s genetic trials are documented in ZD, it’s not a new twist, Faro being a “Bond villain” is well documented in the lore.

[p00se2]

when you destroy the world
best to kill everyone in it as well
so no one can know it was you
who destroyed the world

[maul]

I like how expecting some depth to characters beyond "he's like, super duper evil" is somehow being equated to agreeing with the character in question and being a Trump supporter. Straight up clown ♥♥♥♥ in these comments.