Wait, people know what guns are.

[Sarda]

So while walking past a old gun the companion with me who's just a normal standard soldier mind you not some ancient scholar or engineer or anything just passively said, 'o that's a gun'. The common people know what a gun is? Why aren't there any then? If you know the concept of what a gun is and you have access to smiths, explosive powders and such, which they all do in bulk, why isn't there just mass musket's at the very least.

[[XGS]DonkyBoY]

Because they would make the game even easier than it is already.

Probably easier to steal weapons from a machine than make or find old world weapons.

[★HiyoriX★]

Since muskets will be actually useless against fighting machines (very slow reload, very inaccurate). Bows are much more efficient

[Sarda]

But a musket would do a order of magnitude more damage then a bow and training people to use them would only take weeks instead of many years. That's kinda the reason the bow ceased being a thing rather quickly after it was made

[[XGS]DonkyBoY]

Making metal guns and bullets requires ore which comes from mines. The mountain is the All-Mother, why would they desecrate their deity to make weapons?

[Sarda]

I don't think the oseram care about that, there's oseram mines and forges everywhere.

[[XGS]DonkyBoY]

Originally posted by Sarda:

But a musket would do a order of magnitude more damage then a bow and training people to use them would only take weeks instead of many years. That's kinda the reason the bow ceased being a thing rather quickly after it was made

Ye BUT
Bows and arrows are cheap and easy
AND
The enemy has its own explosive or elemental weak points

Also naturally occurring blaze they use as explosives

[5ean5ean]

They are just discovering cannons they are a few decades away from guns.

[[XGS]DonkyBoY]

Originally posted by Sarda:

I don't think the oseram care about that, there's oseram mines and forges everywhere.

Yep and the Oseram Petra made a cannon in the 1st game.
The other tribes are not like the Oseram thou.

[[XGS]DonkyBoY]

Basic muskets would be wildly inaccurate compared to a arrow or spear.
Also basic fire arm would only be useful close range.

I also wondered about the guns. But the more I do I realise that they just wouldn't have bothered.

[Viper]

i Don't think people know what guns are. IF he said that..He meant that OH thats what a gun is..He was not informing anybody that it was a gun.

[[CTU]Jack_Bauer]

The big issue with that is how do you get gun powder for "guns" or even advanced power cells if they got "advanced weapons", in the game you also see some of those dilemma being seeked out or attempted.

[Avarice]

Originally posted by Sarda:

But a musket would do a order of magnitude more damage then a bow and training people to use them would only take weeks instead of many years. That's kinda the reason the bow ceased being a thing rather quickly after it was made

Fun fact, This is wrong. It took several hundred years of development before the damage of a gun outscaled that of a bow. Its only the training part that made people use the gun over bows.

Add to that that the Tribals clearly use advanced compound bows with advanced materials and so the training would be far easier and the damage far greater than any gun they could develop for centuries.

In this setting, primitive guns like the ones oseram could make are just not economical until you get to the kind of large explosive cannon that was being used in the siege of Meridian.

[Sarda]

Originally posted by Avarice:

Originally posted by Sarda:

But a musket would do a order of magnitude more damage then a bow and training people to use them would only take weeks instead of many years. That's kinda the reason the bow ceased being a thing rather quickly after it was made

Fun fact, This is wrong. It took several hundred years of development before the damage of a gun outscaled that of a bow. Its only the training part that made people use the gun over bows.

Add to that that the Tribals clearly use advanced compound bows with advanced materials and so the training would be far easier and the damage far greater than any gun they could develop for centuries.

In this setting, primitive guns like the ones oseram could make are just not economical until you get to the kind of large explosive cannon that was being used in the siege of Meridian.

Considering how long the bow was around a few centuries is like .1% of its existance shared with guns before being replaced.

[Sarda]

Also a musket was anywhere from 1800-3000 ft⋅lbf, The best compound bow we can make today is 110-150 ft⋅lbf. If a arrow could damage a robot then a musket would probably one shot it.

Originally posted by XGSDonkyBoY:

Basic muskets would be wildly inaccurate compared to a arrow or spear.
Also basic fire arm would only be useful close range.

I also wondered about the guns. But the more I do I realise that they just wouldn't have bothered.

Interestingly I've been looking it up cuz all this made me curious and at the max range of the sniper bows we use you'd have a 100% chance to hit with a smoothbore musket at that twice that range and that's on a man sized target, we're shooting at things that are the size of barns, I don't think it would be a issue

[Chuckawookie]

Because this game story is quite terrible, far worse than the last game, and the writers don't seem to care about things like this anymore. You can meet a character who describes her culture as rigid where everyone has their role, explains that she is a "diviner" rather than a soldier, yet in the next moment she's fighting and brawling like any other soldier? Do these writers even know how hard it is to use a bow? The only good part of Zero Dawn's story imo, apart from the tragedy, was the world building but even that was ruined in Forbidden West.