Do I ♥♥♥♥ at this game or is hard like...really hard?

[Sinophile]

I am level 40 but struggled to take down a level 30 Thunder Jaw. I can eventually do it, but end up depleting all of my healing items. I never use traps or tiripcasters, only bows. Am I playing the game wrong?

[5ean5ean]

Diposting pertama kali oleh TasmańskiZwierz:

Diposting pertama kali oleh 5ean5ean:

To beat the big machines you need

1. Ropecasters to pin them down.

2. Freeze for a damage taken mulitplier.

3. High damage sharpshot.

People keep using hunter bows and traps and wonder why they ca t do anything. You just cant use 1 strategy of "shoot with 1 bow until is dies."

Hey, its working for me, as it did in Zero Dawn! Not most optimal strategy, but it works. Just need Advanced Arrows. And a lot of patience. And big quiver. And resources to craft arrows in the move. :V
Aaaaand Sharpshooter bow isn't really worth it, unless you are using double notch with Advanced Arrows, but its 1. expensive 2, slow 3. barely more effective than triple notch advanced hunter arrows spam.

Hunter bows are fine for beginners but for endgame Min-Maxing they are terrible.

Doesnt come close to the damage potential of a Low Life 80% crit chance Sharpshot build. Double notch is a noob trap, its not double damage and the 2nd arrow barely hits weak spots at range. You want to play on Ultra Hard without losing your mind. Focus shot with Chain burst is your best friend.

[TasmańskiZwierz]

Diposting pertama kali oleh 5ean5ean:

Diposting pertama kali oleh TasmańskiZwierz:

Hey, its working for me, as it did in Zero Dawn! Not most optimal strategy, but it works. Just need Advanced Arrows. And a lot of patience. And big quiver. And resources to craft arrows in the move. :V
Aaaaand Sharpshooter bow isn't really worth it, unless you are using double notch with Advanced Arrows, but its 1. expensive 2, slow 3. barely more effective than triple notch advanced hunter arrows spam.

Hunter bows are fine for beginners but for endgame Min-Maxing they are terrible.

Doesnt come close to the damage potential of a Low Life 80% crit chance Sharpshot build. Double notch is a noob trap, its not double damage and the 2nd arrow barely hits weak spots at range. You want to play on Ultra Hard without losing your mind. Focus shot with Chain burst is your best friend.

Ahhhh, with min-maxing builds it whole different story. Was never a fan of theorycrafting thou. In my experiences from other games such builds work well in perfect conditions, but start to fail off fast when something goes wrong in real combat scenario. Good thing nevertheless, but waaaaaaay too sweaty for me.

[5ean5ean]

Diposting pertama kali oleh TasmańskiZwierz:

Diposting pertama kali oleh 5ean5ean:

Hunter bows are fine for beginners but for endgame Min-Maxing they are terrible.

Doesnt come close to the damage potential of a Low Life 80% crit chance Sharpshot build. Double notch is a noob trap, its not double damage and the 2nd arrow barely hits weak spots at range. You want to play on Ultra Hard without losing your mind. Focus shot with Chain burst is your best friend.

Ahhhh, with min-maxing builds it whole different story. Was never a fan of theorycrafting thou. In my experiences from other games such builds work well in perfect conditions, but start to fail off fast when something goes wrong in real combat scenario. Good thing nevertheless, but waaaaaaay too sweaty for me.

Nope... alot of people dont understand how damage works in this game. Sharpshot bows do 100% more damage with critical hits without any mods.

And if people are worried about resource managament... use warrior bow with Spread shot.

Only reason to use Hunter bows on higher diffulty is to farm components. They ahve terrible impact damage, terrible crit damage.

[TasmańskiZwierz]

Diposting pertama kali oleh 5ean5ean:

Diposting pertama kali oleh TasmańskiZwierz:

Ahhhh, with min-maxing builds it whole different story. Was never a fan of theorycrafting thou. In my experiences from other games such builds work well in perfect conditions, but start to fail off fast when something goes wrong in real combat scenario. Good thing nevertheless, but waaaaaaay too sweaty for me.

Nope... alot of people dont understand how damage works in this game. Sharpshot bows do 100% more damage with critical hits without any mods.

And if people are worried about resource managament... use warrior bow with Spread shot.

Only reason to use Hunter bows on higher diffulty is to farm components. They ahve terrible impact damage, terrible crit damage.

Even with Advanced Arrows, thou? Regular hunter arrows sucks, thats for sure, but Advanced Hunter Arrow have comparable impact and tear damage to regular sharpshooter ones, trading off range and maybe crit damage (don't really have head for numbers in those cases) for much faster rate of fire.

Regarding resource management, I was reffering specifficaly to Advanced Precision Arrows, as they require Volatile Sludge to craft, due to that one is not so easy to come by and have low resource pouch limit before being sent to stash.

[Thornok]

actually i think its easy but i played the first part ... so maybe ...

[5ean5ean]

Diposting pertama kali oleh TasmańskiZwierz:

Diposting pertama kali oleh 5ean5ean:

Nope... alot of people dont understand how damage works in this game. Sharpshot bows do 100% more damage with critical hits without any mods.

And if people are worried about resource managament... use warrior bow with Spread shot.

Only reason to use Hunter bows on higher diffulty is to farm components. They ahve terrible impact damage, terrible crit damage.

Even with Advanced Arrows, thou? Regular hunter arrows sucks, thats for sure, but Advanced Hunter Arrow have comparable impact and tear damage to regular sharpshooter ones, trading off range and maybe crit damage (don't really have head for numbers in those cases) for much faster rate of fire.

Regarding resource management, I was reffering specifficaly to Advanced Precision Arrows, as they require Volatile Sludge to craft, due to that one is not so easy to come by and have low resource pouch limit before being sent to stash.

Like I said....Hunter bows are only good for component farming bc of tear damage. Outside of that you can use Warrior Bows for resource managememt bc they do 75% more crit damage over hunter bows.

I get they wanted hunter bows to be a jack of all trades but they really off a cliff and simply do not scale for higher difficulties. Enemies for example on Ultra hard have triple the health as normal. Hunter bows are basically tickling them.

[The_Dybbuk_King]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Magenof:

Same, feel like 50% of the combat segments I'm just getting tossed around by a hoard of robots. Haven't found the 'flow' of the combat yet. Also having no time to scan during combat for weaknesses is annoying, wish it slowed the game more.

Dodge has 11 frames of invulnerability and can be done 3 times (up to 9 with proper skills, food, and gear) before needing to reset. Sliding has 14 frames of invulnerability, but takes a little longer than Dodge to come out. You can dodge immediately during a slide AND it activates a quick draw/slowdown effect if you aim while you are sliding. You should be using both of these mechanics pretty heavily and together to keep from being cornered. Jumping is HIGHLY underrated and can completely dodge many attacks. Using weapons that complement that style (warrior bows are great for this) really helps.

Another thing to consider: rather than targeting a machine's weak points right away, try taking out its legs first. Knockdowns allow you to set up big damage and give you a bit of time to breathe in 1v1 fights and take an enemy completely out of the fight for a time in horde fights. Sometimes max damage isn't necessarily the play.

[Viper]

I am finding the game pretty easy just using all the tools provided to you. Just attack machines weaknesses for the most part.

[kingfish_ak]

They added tedious mechanics: you have to use specific elements, on specific body parts, and constantly harvest specific parts, to replenish specific ammo... There are gear checks, so skill will only get you so far... excessive grinding and farming materials the game...

[Viper]

Diposting pertama kali oleh kingfish_ak:

They added tedious mechanics: you have to use specific elements, on specific body parts, and constantly harvest specific parts, to replenish specific ammo... There are gear checks, so skill will only get you so far... excessive grinding and farming materials the game...

If you don't like the game play. Play a different game.

[joridiculous]

Diposting pertama kali oleh kingfish_ak:

They added tedious mechanics: you have to use specific elements, on specific body parts, and constantly harvest specific parts, to replenish specific ammo... There are gear checks, so skill will only get you so far... excessive grinding and farming materials the game...

Yeah they did this so much better in HZD.
Getting the "quest component" off the Apex'es is almost impossible. It 99% get destroyed before it even start to come lose no matter what you shoot, it being warrior bows, shredders pikes or the disc thingy, hunter bows. This even With so called easy loot on. (pointless option, it was off almost as fast as i turned it on)
I cant stand the "upgrade" system in this game. Tedious pointless grind.

[TasmańskiZwierz]

Diposting pertama kali oleh joridiculous:

Diposting pertama kali oleh kingfish_ak:

They added tedious mechanics: you have to use specific elements, on specific body parts, and constantly harvest specific parts, to replenish specific ammo... There are gear checks, so skill will only get you so far... excessive grinding and farming materials the game...

Yeah they did this so much better in HZD.
Getting the "quest component" off the Apex'es is almost impossible. It 99% get destroyed before it even start to come lose no matter what you shoot, it being warrior bows, shredders pikes or the disc thingy, hunter bows. This even With so called easy loot on. (pointless option, it was off almost as fast as i turned it on)
I cant stand the "upgrade" system in this game. Tedious pointless grind.

Except it all works EXACLY as in Zero Dawn, just with few new more elements added to bring in more depth.

[joridiculous]

Diposting pertama kali oleh TasmańskiZwierz:

Diposting pertama kali oleh joridiculous:

Yeah they did this so much better in HZD.
Getting the "quest component" off the Apex'es is almost impossible. It 99% get destroyed before it even start to come lose no matter what you shoot, it being warrior bows, shredders pikes or the disc thingy, hunter bows. This even With so called easy loot on. (pointless option, it was off almost as fast as i turned it on)
I cant stand the "upgrade" system in this game. Tedious pointless grind.

Except it all works EXACLY as in Zero Dawn, just with few new more elements added to bring in more depth.

not even close. Combat in HZD was more fluid.

[Viper]

Diposting pertama kali oleh joridiculous:

Diposting pertama kali oleh TasmańskiZwierz:

Except it all works EXACLY as in Zero Dawn, just with few new more elements added to bring in more depth.

not even close. Combat in HZD was more fluid.

Its the same engine. Same developer. Its the same.

[Auren Wolfstein]

Against large machines dodging is essential, especially using your slide against really big machines like Thunderjaws and such, you can also use the extra distance gained to your advance or attack during the wind down of their attacks. Elemental states are your friends, specifically corrosion, brittle, shock, and...well that's it personally.

Plasma is okay too I guess but doesn't do anything to make getting your damage off easier. Rope Casters are great but the more end game the better. If you're using a hunter bow try using knock down shot on the legs too, might take more shots against something as big as a thunder jaw depending on your bow but might be extremely helpful.