Horizon Forbidden West™ Complete Edition

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RuDoKa Apr 2, 2024 @ 5:26pm
hacked a raptor but he wont help me in fight
I hacked a raptor, can mount him but when I'm in fight he will stay afk and let me die. He is in defensive mode, isnt he supposed to defend me ????
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Yeah override is different in this game and they do not explain it well at all
Helifax Apr 2, 2024 @ 6:23pm 
It is actually very simple.
As it was in HZD, it will fight back if you use it to attack (while mounted) or it gets attacked.
Or
If you go down the skill tree and unlock the skill that allows you to specify the behaviour (defender or aggressive) :) This is the new part :D
RuDoKa Apr 2, 2024 @ 6:35pm 
Originally posted by Helifax:
It is actually very simple.
As it was in HZD, it will fight back if you use it to attack (while mounted) or it gets attacked.
Or
If you go down the skill tree and unlock the skill that allows you to specify the behaviour (defender or aggressive) :) This is the new part :D
I upgraded the whole override tree, got all the skills unlocked inside it. Thats also why I specified that I put it in defensive mode when I hacked the monster
Parry Hotter Apr 2, 2024 @ 10:53pm 
In the skill tree there's an option to choose whether the machine attacks or defends while you're hacking it.
Midnight Apr 3, 2024 @ 4:22am 
Defensive mode is basically "do not attack until attacked" mode. Not "Cover me" mode. I wish it was though. Also I really wish the raptors were faster... they are so useless
Originally posted by Midnight:
Defensive mode is basically "do not attack until attacked" mode. Not "Cover me" mode. I wish it was though. Also I really wish the raptors were faster... they are so useless

That is so much ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ though. When they are an enemy they move fast and people riding them move fast so why can't they move fast when Aloy is using them?
Bird_Dog Apr 3, 2024 @ 7:33pm 
Originally posted by Midnight:
Defensive mode is basically "do not attack until attacked" mode. Not "Cover me" mode. I wish it was though. Also I really wish the raptors were faster... they are so useless

Yea. It feel, they defined "defensive" as more like "passive" to artificialy justify the existance of the skill that lets you select the behaviour.
Now you can choose between "don't do squat" and "immediately pick a fight with anything that moves in a 5-leage radius".

and Raptors do feel rather lame as mounts to me too. They look cool AF but are slow and clumsy compared to a charger.
Midnight Apr 3, 2024 @ 10:16pm 
Originally posted by Bird_Dog:
Originally posted by Midnight:
Defensive mode is basically "do not attack until attacked" mode. Not "Cover me" mode. I wish it was though. Also I really wish the raptors were faster... they are so useless

Yea. It feel, they defined "defensive" as more like "passive" to artificialy justify the existance of the skill that lets you select the behaviour.
Now you can choose between "don't do squat" and "immediately pick a fight with anything that moves in a 5-leage radius".

and Raptors do feel rather lame as mounts to me too. They look cool AF but are slow and clumsy compared to a charger.
Yeah, I do wish you had better control over their aggression. Being able to tell them to stick close or hell, just being able to toggle between the modes on command would be nice...

And the speed difference is stupid too... The diff between Charger and the Boar is noticeable, but small. The Strider just feels as if they are stuck in 1st gear/ slow movement mode.

And the worst part is they have no real place in the game with these issues unless you are playing the machine master role.
-Early game: You start with the Charger and the Boar is unlocked quite early. Both have many more machine sites and are relatively similar in speeds
-Mid game: You first need to unlock their overrides (IIRC) then you need to find their sites and hope that they don't cut you, or your overriden mount to pieces. And if you don't have the attack mode skill, they just stand around. And even if you DO have said skill, setting them to attack mode makes them VERY hard to control AND keep alive. All of this AND they are the slowest mount by far is just the cherry on the crap cake...
-Late/ Post game: You get a late game flying mount so now your ground mount can be used as a "battle buddy" only by now, the mount is much weaker than Aloy
RuDoKa Apr 4, 2024 @ 8:54am 
can I even change the behavior of the machine after hacking it ?
Obokan Apr 4, 2024 @ 9:38am 
The machine override is pretty digital (0 or 1) in FW. Either it's passive and the machine doesn't care at all or aggressive and it runs away and tries to kill everything and dies. There's nothing in between, unfortunately. That's one of the things I don't like about FW. Would be great if there was a third option like "defend me" in a certain parameter.
Last edited by Obokan; Apr 4, 2024 @ 9:39am
Bird_Dog Apr 4, 2024 @ 11:59am 
Originally posted by RuDoKa:
can I even change the behavior of the machine after hacking it ?

No. You can select the behaviour during the hacking if you have the relevant skill.
CptnSpandex Apr 4, 2024 @ 12:07pm 
Originally posted by Bird_Dog:
Originally posted by Midnight:
Defensive mode is basically "do not attack until attacked" mode. Not "Cover me" mode. I wish it was though. Also I really wish the raptors were faster... they are so useless

Yea. It feel, they defined "defensive" as more like "passive" to artificialy justify the existance of the skill that lets you select the behaviour.
Now you can choose between "don't do squat" and "immediately pick a fight with anything that moves in a 5-leage radius".

and Raptors do feel rather lame as mounts to me too. They look cool AF but are slow and clumsy compared to a charger.

No, what they actually did is made it so if you chose to have it passive and not fight then you have chosen that one purely for riding and not as a companion to fight by your side, when you are a long way from a mount herd it can be annoying sometimes for your mount to go charging in and get blown up leaving you mountless, make sense ?.
Bird_Dog Apr 4, 2024 @ 7:27pm 
Originally posted by CptnSpandex:

No, what they actually did is made it so if you chose to have it passive and not fight then you have chosen that one purely for riding and not as a companion to fight by your side, when you are a long way from a mount herd it can be annoying sometimes for your mount to go charging in and get blown up leaving you mountless, make sense ?.

Not realy.
There was nothing stopping them from giving mountable and non-mountable machines a different default behaviour.
CptnSpandex Apr 5, 2024 @ 3:09am 
Originally posted by Bird_Dog:
Originally posted by CptnSpandex:

No, what they actually did is made it so if you chose to have it passive and not fight then you have chosen that one purely for riding and not as a companion to fight by your side, when you are a long way from a mount herd it can be annoying sometimes for your mount to go charging in and get blown up leaving you mountless, make sense ?.

Not realy.
There was nothing stopping them from giving mountable and non-mountable machines a different default behaviour.

Why do that when you can have a mount that will attack on sight of an enemy and act as a guard dog, you go charging in on your mount with a flurry of attacks and hop off mid battle with a group of enemies and shoot what it is attacking for extra effect, OR you choose passive if you are afraid of destroying your mount and hop off way before engaging for a more stealthy approach, your mount kinda ruins stealth when it charges in going ape.

To be honest they could not have done it better, you can still turn pretty much any machine that is not a mount in the game into your personal murder machine as well remember, you can have your mount and another machine going all out and causing major hurt on the enemy.
Last edited by CptnSpandex; Apr 5, 2024 @ 3:10am
Auren Wolfstein Apr 5, 2024 @ 8:04am 
For mounts the default defend behavior makes it so enemy machines don't aggro to them, but your machine will attack if its attacked or if enemy machines get VERY close to them. I assume this was done so you don't have to constantly repair or find a new mount as they die. Human enemies seem to be far more aware of machines though and will actively attack them in my experience.
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Date Posted: Apr 2, 2024 @ 5:26pm
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