Arrow hitbox, removable part hit inconsistence

[Ray]

playing on very hard.
Occasionally, arrows hit on removable parts are not counted as a removable part hit. There is no hightlight, audio and weak point damage bonus or sometimes the arrow simply fly straight through the part without triggering anything. This is especially worse when medium to long range.

Mainly affecting hunter bow. Sharpshot bow did not seem to have this problem.

The perceivable part size is much smaller than it looks.

I am fully aware that there is projectile speed, arrow drop and a max range for hunter bow that is not explained.

I have show damage number turned on othwrwise I don't even know if I am getting a hit.

last night, knocked down a fire fanghorn. stood right next to it. shot its big damn blaze canister 3 times with concentration and all 3 shots counted as regular body hit instead of weak point or removable parts.

This is obviously abnormal and it sucks.

Anyone else encountered it?

[roddy]

If you're too close to the target the hitbox is off, but it could be intentional since the source of the projectiles is the actual bow that Alloy is holding. Perhaps the awkward angle is not possible to hit with the bow if too close? This is just a guess since I can't really tell just given the description, a video could help.

But if you're asking from my personal experience, no I didn't feel it at all except maybe 3 times in a currently 70+ hours playtime (arrows phasing through)? In all those 3 cases they were fast moving enemy parts like tails, so I cannot 100% tell if it was my fault or the game's.

[PlazmaBolt]

This was a thing in the first game, I'm pretty sure this is just intended

[Big Mad Wolf]

On more evolved units stuff like canisters tends to have armor plating on the outer side. Maybe you hit the armor plate instead of canister. Armor might be overshadowed it they vulnerable parts are glowing due to the scan for weaknesses, can't remember from memory.

With fast moving units it can happen, that during travel time of the arrow an armored parts gets in the way, even more with long shots. :)

[Ray]

Originally posted by roddy:

If you're too close to the target the hitbox is off, but it could be intentional since the source of the projectiles is the actual bow that Alloy is holding. Perhaps the awkward angle is not possible to hit with the bow if too close? This is just a guess since I can't really tell just given the description, a video could help.

But if you're asking from my personal experience, no I didn't feel it at all except maybe 3 times in a currently 70+ hours playtime (arrows phasing through)? In all those 3 cases they were fast moving enemy parts like tails, so I cannot 100% tell if it was my fault or the game's.

but HZD is completely fine.

[Ray]

Originally posted by PlazmaBolt:

This was a thing in the first game, I'm pretty sure this is just intended

no i didn't feel this in HZD, at least not to this extend

[Ray]

Originally posted by Big Mad Wolf:

On more evolved units stuff like canisters tends to have armor plating on the outer side. Maybe you hit the armor plate instead of canister. Armor might be overshadowed it they vulnerable parts are glowing due to the scan for weaknesses, can't remember from memory.

With fast moving units it can happen, that during travel time of the arrow an armored parts gets in the way, even more with long shots. :)

I did not scan it and it does not have armor. it is right next to me so I am certain.

even if with armor, the damage will show red downward arrowhead and the damage will be very low, but those 3 shots are plain white number without arrowhead

[Ray]

just now, finished the stupid burden of command Errand. my arrows straight fly through the stormbird thruster when it is flying, never made a hit. perhaps my bad shooting?! ok fine

knock it down, on the ground, same as that fanghorn. Twice. It happened twice. Scan the component, thruster, highlighted in yellow, nothing blocking, no armor. Shoot it twice, both arrows fly straight through the component without causing any damage.

frost arrow cannot trigger chain reaction on the chillwater canister. Thought it has armor? so tried tear the armor off with tear arrow but the comes off. There is no armor.

wth this game. this is core mechanics and it is broken.

[Mr. White™]

I'm late but did you ever found something to fix this problem?
Now i'm on NG+ on ultra hard and this problem happens way too often to enjoy the game.
Makes me sad i'm already 220hrs in the game but this really kills the fun for me.
I'm playing with keyboard and mouse so there's no aim assistant and never was.
The first playthrough on normal didn't have this problem so often.
It's driving me nu*s!!!

[GRUNDLESTILTSKIN]

turn off aim assistance.

[NeXuS23]

I even fallen through one of those puzzle boxes that you need in Relic Ruins to reach stuff.
Was impossible to stand on it, simply clipped through it. But then I found out that I didn't fall through the box at the very edge. Maybe the same thing happens with these parts.

[Ray]

Originally posted by TheGrassFedCow™:

I'm late but did you ever found something to fix this problem?
Now i'm on NG+ on ultra hard and this problem happens way too often to enjoy the game.
Makes me sad i'm already 220hrs in the game but this really kills the fun for me.
I'm playing with keyboard and mouse so there's no aim assistant and never was.
The first playthrough on normal didn't have this problem so often.
It's driving me nu*s!!!

shots without concentration seem to have less problem. Aim a slightly higher may solve some cases as sometimes the arrow hitbox dropped while the visible arrow is difficult to see. The hunter arrow also fly slightly to the right of the reticle in long range. Hunter bow at close range seem to have less hitbox problem. Sharpshot bow in general has way less hitbox problem.

None of these are vigorously tested and I end up get used to this problem because there are other things in the game that keep bugging me. I no longer play the game but good luck bro

[Mr. White™]

Originally posted by Ray:

Originally posted by TheGrassFedCow™:

I'm late but did you ever found something to fix this problem?
Now i'm on NG+ on ultra hard and this problem happens way too often to enjoy the game.
Makes me sad i'm already 220hrs in the game but this really kills the fun for me.
I'm playing with keyboard and mouse so there's no aim assistant and never was.
The first playthrough on normal didn't have this problem so often.
It's driving me nu*s!!!

shots without concentration seem to have less problem. Aim a slightly higher may solve some cases as sometimes the arrow hitbox dropped while the visible arrow is difficult to see. The hunter arrow also fly slightly to the right of the reticle in long range. Hunter bow at close range seem to have less hitbox problem. Sharpshot bow in general has way less hitbox problem.

None of these are vigorously tested and I end up get used to this problem because there are other things in the game that keep bugging me. I no longer play the game but good luck bro

Thank you Ray, i'll keep this in mind.
I've already experimented a lot with all these things but maybe i'll get lucky now.

May i ask you what the other things are that bother you in the game?

[Ray]

Originally posted by TheGrassFedCow™:

Originally posted by Ray:

shots without concentration seem to have less problem. Aim a slightly higher may solve some cases as sometimes the arrow hitbox dropped while the visible arrow is difficult to see. The hunter arrow also fly slightly to the right of the reticle in long range. Hunter bow at close range seem to have less hitbox problem. Sharpshot bow in general has way less hitbox problem.

None of these are vigorously tested and I end up get used to this problem because there are other things in the game that keep bugging me. I no longer play the game but good luck bro

Thank you Ray, i'll keep this in mind.
I've already experimented a lot with all these things but maybe i'll get lucky now.

May i ask you what the other things are that bother you in the game?

machine design, constant stuck or stopped by some rocks or branches on the ground, inconsistent trigger of sliding, the boring and obvious puzzle, the way you literally use more resources to bury the enemies, the more and more dark souls like combat pacing, the LGBT DLC.....and most of all the insane enemy hitbox and non-stop spamming of AOE attacks.

[Mr. White™]

Da*n except for the machine design i actually can agree with most of the points.
The inconsistent slide is really annoying that's true.
And i thought i didn't hit the buttons correctly lol.
At least now, i know that wasn't the problem.
Sad that it's the game.
I totally love both Horizon games.

[Ray]

Originally posted by TheGrassFedCow™:

Da*n except for the machine design i actually can agree with most of the points.
The inconsistent slide is really annoying that's true.
And i thought i didn't hit the buttons correctly lol.
At least now, i know that wasn't the problem.
Sad that it's the game.
I totally love both Horizon games.

yea sad I loved HZD