Why they added an Trans-NPC?!

[little_shameless]

I love this game and i´m pretty hyped to enjoy Pc-graphics, but is it Necessary to added an Woke Trans-NPC in a Video-Game???? I dont think so. In Video-games, nobody cares about gender indentity. So let the game be a game and dont add politics.

[Faster With Feeling]

Publicado originalmente por Tubulsk1:

Publicado originalmente por little_shameless:

Maybe i will. It´s sad that i now have to choose Games based on whether there´s a trans in them or not. This World is lost...

Yeah it is sad that you are so unable to deal with normal people.... So many people are left behind unable to deal with simple moral choices...

You should just avoid society and move over to an islamic theocracy, they too cant deal with trans people being real

Sad news is that in Kabul the government in charge has reinstated the stoning and whipping of women for crimes like adultery.

[Tubulsk1]

Publicado originalmente por Ghannon:

Publicado originalmente por Tubulsk1:

Trans people exist in realtiy. The game plays in a fictional future of this reality. Removing a whole group of people without any (ingame or RL) explanation would be weird.

If you adopt the "Biologically, "trans" is impossible.
Chromosomes dictate gender and gender can't be changed,"- argument. then you should be able to substantiate the "chromosomes dictate gender"-claim, casue they dont. The claim that your chromosomes define your actions/identity is 1940 pseudoscience on the same level as phrenology..


If the guy actually wanted to say that chromosomes dictate your biological sex (which isnt your gender) then yes. But your biological sex doesnt dictate your gender.

If you dont, then what is your argumetn for their exclusion?

Or if you want me to scoop down on your idiotic level: "Make an argument to the defense of male representation in video games."

"Primary sex determination is the determination of the gonads. In mammals, primary sex determination is strictly chromosomal and is not usually influenced by the environment. In most cases, the female is XX and the male is XY. Every individual must have at least one X chromosome. Since the female is XX, each of her eggs has a single X chromosome." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK9967/#:~:text=In%20mammals%2C%20primary%20sex%20determination,has%20a%20single%20X%20chromosome.

I will say this for the third time; If gender is not based on sex, if it is entirely separate, then there would be no need for transition surgery and hormone therapy, one would simply claim to be a member of his or her chosen gender. The very practice of surgical or hormonal gender transition contradicts the claim that gender is a spectrum that is unrelated to biology.

"Primary sex determination", so you know about the topic that we arent talking about, nice start. Now try learning about the topic we are actually talking about: Gender transitioning... Becuase you sucked up to a strawman: The claim that transgender people somehow try to change their sex...

"If gender is not based on sex, if it is entirely separate", who claims that? Are you again arguing with a strawman? Or with the monkey on your shoulder?

Your identiy is comprised of many factors. Your Sex, your Interest, your Intelligence, your political leaning, ect, including the way you express your gender. As most people are cis, meaning their sex aligns with their gender, their gender presentation mostly fall in the things we find "normal" and thus acceptable.

For trans people this isnt the case. When they express their gender in the normal ways (like women going to the female bathroom) they will be treated as creeps because their look aligns more with the gender expression of men and thus other norms apply to them.

The social dissonacne combine with the fact that their body doesnt fit their identity (f.e. a women in the body of a stereotypical men) creates a disphoria. Whcih can be aleviated by changing the way they look. Which solves botht the problem tthat they arent recognized as their acutal identity in public and the fact that their body doesnt align with their identity...

It is that simple. It is not that your gender is based on your biology but that both gender and biology heavily influence your identity.

Or to put it differently: You must be a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ to look at someone like Buck angle and think: He has xx chromosomes therefore he is a women...

If you have more questions that you could have gotten answered by a 30s google search or figured out on your own with the intelect of a preschooler, just ask.

[Faster With Feeling]

So OP do you not like Talanah? She's got the gay or bi thing going,

[Tubulsk1]

Publicado originalmente por Ghannon:

Publicado originalmente por gree:

its a game about robots you hunt and finding an ai that can magically fix the earth, and trans people is too far for you?

Robots and AI using magic to fix Earth is not a political agenda that originated from a pedophile German Jew named Magnus Hirscheld in 1930s Germany.

And this nazi had a time machine? As Trans people are recorded since the time of anchient egypt?

Come on stop being a degenerate.

[Tubulsk1]

Publicado originalmente por Banana Fritter Muffin:

Publicado originalmente por Tubulsk1:

Yeah it is sad that you are so unable to deal with normal people.... So many people are left behind unable to deal with simple moral choices...

You should just avoid society and move over to an islamic theocracy, they too cant deal with trans people being real

Sad news is that in Kabul the government in charge has reinstated the stoning and whipping of women for crimes like adultery.

"Sad news", expected news. Islamist being islamist.

[Faster With Feeling]

Publicado originalmente por Tubulsk1:

Publicado originalmente por Banana Fritter Muffin:

Sad news is that in Kabul the government in charge has reinstated the stoning and whipping of women for crimes like adultery.

"Sad news", expected news. Islamist being islamist.

Yes but it is sad news for people living there......

[Reciever]

Publicado originalmente por Hunter:

I do I care about so called gender identity and I think the original poster has a perfectly valid point. Regular folks have had this crap shoved down our throats way to long in every form of entertainment imaginable and we have sat back and said very little. If you cannot tell what gender you actually are by simply taking a look between your legs there is a serious disconnect somewhere.

What's next are people going to wake up one day and decide they want to be a hermit crab and start identifying as that? It's freaking insanity, delusion. A person's gender isn't a big mystery that has to be figured out. I'm not trying to disrespect anyone but come on folks get over the wokeism and get a serious grip on reality. These are games, we used to just play them to have fun not to make statements.

The issue here is the character OP is likely referring to is not trans, doesnt claim to be trans, nor makes any commentary what so ever regarding sexuality. Only that he wears female armor, to which he was insulted until he proved himself to his clan, which all members of the clan must do in order for anything to be permitted generally speaking.

[BigRedHulk710]

its 2024 get over it bud. go cry about it to someone that actually cares you have bigger problem if youre worried about a virtual character

[Al_Paka]

Publicado originalmente por little_shameless:

I love this game and i´m pretty hyped to enjoy Pc-graphics, but is it Necessary to added an Woke Trans-NPC in a Video-Game???? I dont think so. In Video-games, nobody cares about gender indentity. So let the game be a game and dont add politics.

If gender identity didn't bother you, you wouldn't be making a nonsensical comment here.

[Tubulsk1]

Publicado originalmente por Hunter:

I do I care about so called gender identity and I think the original poster has a perfectly valid point. Regular folks have had this crap shoved down our throats way to long in every form of entertainment imaginable and we have sat back and said very little. If you cannot tell what gender you actually are by simply taking a look between your legs there is a serious disconnect somewhere.

What's next are people going to wake up one day and decide they want to be a hermit crab and start identifying as that? It's freaking insanity, delusion. A person's gender isn't a big mystery that has to be figured out. I'm not trying to disrespect anyone but come on folks get over the wokeism and get a serious grip on reality. These are games, we used to just play them to have fun not to make statements.

Is being a hermitcrap an identity that humans often have? Not to my knowlegde. Maybe in your hillbilly clan.
Because last time i checken men and women are identites that a majority of people have.

"A person's gender isn't a big mystery that has to be figured out", correct it isnt. And yet people like you throw a hissyfit when people tell you their gender and they dont align with your neolithic criteria.

"These are games, we used to just play them to have fun not to make statements.", what statement do you think was made? Besides that men can wear female armor?
ANd the statement that you are mentally unstable?

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Publicado originalmente por Tubulsk1:

Publicado originalmente por Ghannon:

Robots and AI using magic to fix Earth is not a political agenda that originated from a pedophile German Jew named Magnus Hirscheld in 1930s Germany.

And this nazi had a time machine? As Trans people are recorded since the time of anchient egypt?

Come on stop being a degenerate.

Magnus Hirscheld founded the first trans health clinic. Trans people do not exist, so not there were not in ancient Egypt.

[ุ]

Publicado originalmente por Tubulsk1:

Publicado originalmente por Ghannon:

"Primary sex determination is the determination of the gonads. In mammals, primary sex determination is strictly chromosomal and is not usually influenced by the environment. In most cases, the female is XX and the male is XY. Every individual must have at least one X chromosome. Since the female is XX, each of her eggs has a single X chromosome." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK9967/#:~:text=In%20mammals%2C%20primary%20sex%20determination,has%20a%20single%20X%20chromosome.

I will say this for the third time; If gender is not based on sex, if it is entirely separate, then there would be no need for transition surgery and hormone therapy, one would simply claim to be a member of his or her chosen gender. The very practice of surgical or hormonal gender transition contradicts the claim that gender is a spectrum that is unrelated to biology.

"Primary sex determination", so you know about the topic that we arent talking about, nice start. Now try learning about the topic we are actually talking about: Gender transitioning... Becuase you sucked up to a strawman: The claim that transgender people somehow try to change their sex...

"If gender is not based on sex, if it is entirely separate", who claims that? Are you again arguing with a strawman? Or with the monkey on your shoulder?

Your identiy is comprised of many factors. Your Sex, your Interest, your Intelligence, your political leaning, ect, including the way you express your gender. As most people are cis, meaning their sex aligns with their gender, their gender presentation mostly fall in the things we find "normal" and thus acceptable.

For trans people this isnt the case. When they express their gender in the normal ways (like women going to the female bathroom) they will be treated as creeps because their look aligns more with the gender expression of men and thus other norms apply to them.

The social dissonacne combine with the fact that their body doesnt fit their identity (f.e. a women in the body of a stereotypical men) creates a disphoria. Whcih can be aleviated by changing the way they look. Which solves botht the problem tthat they arent recognized as their acutal identity in public and the fact that their body doesnt align with their identity...

It is that simple. It is not that your gender is based on your biology but that both gender and biology heavily influence your identity.

Or to put it differently: You must be a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ to look at someone like Buck angle and think: He has xx chromosomes therefore he is a women...

If you have more questions that you could have gotten answered by a 30s google search or figured out on your own with the intelect of a preschooler, just ask.

You whole argument about personality is baseless. Behavior is significantly influenced by genetic psychological phenotypes, so it follows that primary and secondary sex characteristics also impact behavior, thus influencing personality. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4635473/

I would also recommend you read the Journal of Nonverbal Behavior, it has many https://link.springer.com/journal/10919/volumes-and-issues

You should also read this.
https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2015-02851-006

I would be able tell that Buck Angle is a woman simply by interacting with her. She might fool somebody if she never speaks and never moves, but the moment she opens her mouth or engages in any physical interaction it becomes painfully obvious that Buck Angle is a woman.

[Zeno]

I wasn’t bothered by the mere presence of an apparently trans individual in the game. It’s that the individual in question spoke and acted like a gender studies major at a liberal arts college in 2018 - both the lingo and the smug, entitled tone. It’s that the writers thought it necessary to trumpet the fact: “Hey, we got a trans individual over here!”

It was an immersion-breaking moment, for certain, but it passed quickly, and I went on with the game.

How hard would have been to have a Tenakth warrior who happens to be trans, but who acts and speaks like a Tenakth warrior?

[Albert Whiskers]

If 1 character ruined the game for you then you most have a hard time playing anything

[Tubulsk1]

Publicado originalmente por Ghannon:

Publicado originalmente por Tubulsk1:

And this nazi had a time machine? As Trans people are recorded since the time of anchient egypt?

Come on stop being a degenerate.

Magnus Hirscheld founded the first trans health clinic.

"Magnus Hirscheld founded the first trans health clinic." and? What is your argument? Is everything the nazis did bad?

"Behavior is significantly influenced by genetic psychological phenotypes,", you can try to change the topic. It is not behavoir it is identity. Try again.

Also the study you linked destroys your arguemnt that your identiy is based on gonads to quote it "“A typical human behavioral trait is associated with very many genetic variants, each of which accounts for a very small percentage of the behavioral variability.”, not "if you have a y chromosome that makes you a men", it says quite the opposite.

"I would also recommend you read the Journal of Nonverbal Behavior, it has many", do you want me to read all of the 186 issues? Or is this just a really pathetic attempt topretend as if your dengeracy is based on actual science?

And your last "source" shows how dumb you actually are as citing a source that has ammased 3 citiations io n7 years is already pathetic, but it also doesnt talk about trans people. It never links male and men or female and women... So it has no relevance to your denial about trans people...

this is just sad... Want to give me your next talking point?

"I would be able tell that Buck Angle is a woman simply by interacting with her. She might fool somebody if she never speaks and never moves, but the moment she opens her mouth or engages in any physical interaction it becomes painfully obvious that Buck Angle is a woman." have you watched many pornos with him? Being a closeted ♥♥♥♥ would explain your general idiocy.

But entertain me further what about his movement or speech makes him a women to you?